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by John Clulow

Gallery: POP PhotosPosted January 5, 201387 views15 comments
One of my wife Carol's recent pieces: Her gourd series thrown with mica clay. The colors come from raku firing where the red-hot pot is placed in a can filled with combustible materials and the lid put on to create a reduction atmosphere. The carbon impregnates the clay leaving random variations in color and luminosity. The technique was invented in Japan in the 16th century.


The lid was made from two twigs Carol found and assembled into the shape she wanted. This constitutes the "nature" connection. A rubber mold was made of that assembly and that was used to make a wax replica that was then encased in a ceramic shell. The wax was burned off in a kiln leaving a hollow cavity. Then bronze was poured into the cavity to form the handles of the lid. This was then welded onto a copper lid fabricated to fit the mouth, and the entire assembly was given a brown patina by heating it with a torch and spraying on a mixture of ferric nitrate and nitric acid. This gave the surface a brown-oxide coloration.

I photgraphed this just now with three lights; two at 45° on each side, each metered at f/5.6 and then one bounced off the ceiling such that the entire array metered f/16. Shot, then, at f/16 with a Tamron 17-50 mm at 50mm, ISO 100. I used a white paper background, by the way and applied my standard ACR adjustments.

The only other unique aspect of this, beyond being my first picture this year, is it was the first one I have taken using manual fous with the KatzEye I recently installed in my Pentax K-5 (similar to a D7000). I also shot it with my mom's 1958 Voightlander "vitomatic II" with a 50mm Zeiss lens, using Fuji Provia 100F, just to see how slide scans up to 9600 dpi will compare to a 16.3 MP DSLR image. I'll post the results of that experiment when I get the film back from the lab.

As I have assumed responsibility for commercial photography for Carol's business, I would very much appreciate any critique and improvement suggestions.

Comments

15 comments
Comment posted by Jerry Marella on January 5, 2013 at 6:24 PM
John, first let me say that I'm exhausted just reading about the process your wife had to go through to make this. Very impressive.

As far as the photo; I understand your process, but maybe f16 wasn't enough. It may be my monitor or my eyes, but there does't seem to be any part of the piece that is critically sharp, at least in the larger photo. Maybe it's the scan. The white background seems a little blue gray also. Again, it may be my laptop or the laptop operator.
Registered on November 1, 2003, 142 Posts, 862 Comments
Comment posted by John Clulow on January 5, 2013 at 6:44 PM
Thanks for your comments, Jerry. All I can say is that when I expand it to 100% crop on my monitor, it looks OK. Could be my aging eyes :)

Thanks for taking the time to comment.
Registered on November 1, 2012, 155 Posts, 1079 Comments
Comment posted by Jerry Marella on January 5, 2013 at 7:38 PM
On my desktop now and it looks better. It may be the specular highlights that look a little fuzzy to me. Maybe it was operator error last time.
Registered on November 1, 2003, 142 Posts, 862 Comments
Comment posted by Reno DiTullio on January 5, 2013 at 9:54 PM
John, same with me, the background/overall color cast looks blue, maybe put a grey card in a shot to help set the white balance. Sharpness looks fine but maybe a different lighting scheme might accentuate the form of the gourd more. My two cents, etc. :wink:
Registered on November 14, 2003, 130 Posts, 1644 Comments
Comment posted by Roger Kirchen on January 5, 2013 at 11:30 PM
John, as a chemist I found your description of the process most interesting - applied chemistry here. I must say that in the many chemistry experiments that I performed, I have never produced something as aesthetically pleasing.

Then I got to the Voigtlaender part. My first real camera was a Voigtlaender Vito CL. It was retired after many years when the iris shutter stopped operating reliably.

I'm on my iPad 3 right now and the image looks sharp to me. The background seems to have a cast, as was pointed out. I wonder how the image would look with the exposure and/or whites adjusted a bit to the right, but you may well have tried that already. Any possibility that a cast could be introduced by the reflection off the ceiling? Just a thought.

Registered on March 6, 2011, 95 Posts, 847 Comments
Comment posted by John Clulow on January 6, 2013 at 7:39 AM
Thanks to everyone for commenting and especially on the bluish cast in the background. I did a correction in ACR that I think will move it in a better direction, though perhaps not ideal. I'm amused how oftentimes I can rationalize things -- like telling myself in this case that the bluishness complemented the yellow tones :smile: 'cause I saw it too but it was easier to convince myself it was OK than to fix it.

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postscript - You know it's really weird! Both images look significantly more blue here on NPN than they do on the same monitor in CS5. Same files. How can that be??? Carol told me the first image didn't appear too blue on her computer. So I just sent the "corrected" file to her and on both of our computers it definitely has a slightly yellow cast whereas on NPN it is decidely purplish.

Is there some explanation for these differences between NPN produced images via the internets and how they appear on the same monitors in native display programs like CS5 and Windows?
Registered on November 1, 2012, 155 Posts, 1079 Comments
Comment posted by Barry Vangrov on January 6, 2013 at 8:21 PM
The re-post is definitely better, John and looks sharp enough to me. I do a lot of shooting of 3D art, jewelry and paintings for artists to post on their website and use for art festival jury submittals. The lighting on this is good but the background is kind of dull. I don't know what your wife plans to use these images for (her website and/or jury slides?) but typically pieces like this look better on a black-to-white gradient background - they seem to show as more 3 dimensional that way. You can either buy an actual an gradient seamless paper or vinyl background to shoot against or change the background in Photoshop. Experiment with the background to see what looks best.
Registered on September 1, 2009, 148 Posts, 749 Comments
Comment posted by John Clulow on January 6, 2013 at 8:27 PM
Thanks, Barry. I did notice that in the images she had prior, there was gradoemt in the luminosity of the background. I think I will be able to achieve that with lighting and perhaps use of alternative backdrops. Good feedback and I do appreciate it!
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Comment posted by Morris McClung on January 7, 2013 at 12:46 PM
A very interesting piece and I like the warmer version better. The process is fascinating and seems to be very labor intensive. I applaud the dedication to her craft.
Registered on May 7, 2007, 670 Posts, 19650 Comments
Comment posted by Harley Goldman on January 7, 2013 at 3:08 PM
Fascinating process and piece. I am impressed by your wife's work.

The repost is a big improvement. Changing the WB made a big difference.

I agree with Barry on the background. I did some turquoise jewelry images for a friend's jewelry business. I shot some with a plain white background and some on some sandstone flagstone and the flagstone images just jumped off the screen. It made a huge difference in the presentation.
Registered on November 19, 2003, 586 Posts, 11271 Comments
Comment posted by Lon Overacker on January 7, 2013 at 4:00 PM
John,

Definitely a nice piece. Looks like it has a kind of glazed texture - I'm sure a result of the firing process.

Speaking of "processing," here's my two cents. First, if these are going to be representational images (brochures, web, whatever,) you should certainly make sure you clean up the dust bunnies, dust, little things on the backdrop, etc. "Cleaning up" an image is the very first thing I do in my workflow. Trying to spot clean things later when you've got multiple pixel changing layers doesn't work very well.

Agree with the others of the white balance, and honestly the brightness of the background. The color isn't off too much, but for me it's more dull that off color wise. I simply opened a Levels layer, used the white point dropper and selected a white point somewhere near the very top, brightest area for a sample. Then, since that went too bright white, I simply reduced the opacity of that layer to something like 50%. Lastly, because the white point adjustment also brought up and reduced the shadow of the piece, I used a TK burn/doge layer and painted the shadow back in a little better - because clearly there is, and probably should be a little shadow going on, otherwise it doesn't look right.

I think you're close with this one. With your permission I can post my version.

Lastly as far as how the image looks in different browsers, I noticed that at least the large version isn't tagged with a color profilie. this will most certainly result in different color representations in different browsers. As part of your saving to the web process, you need to make sure you save this as sRGB, that ensures you will get consistent behavior between browsers.

You should also be calibrating your monitor.

Hope this helps,
Lon
Registered on November 24, 2006, 521 Posts, 19147 Comments
Comment posted by John Clulow on January 7, 2013 at 5:34 PM
Thanks, Morris, Harley, and Lon. I will look into different backgrounds.
And thanks for the sRGB info, Lon. I will definitely make sure of that in the future.
I'd love to see the result of your processing!
I've really learned a lot from everyone's comments, and I appreciate it so much! Thank you!
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Comment posted by Lon Overacker on January 7, 2013 at 6:32 PM
Thanks John, ok, let me try this a second time (I deleted my first.) When I posted the white didn't look much different than your repost, so I wanted it a little brighter. Also, I masked out the white point adjustment in the art piece itself since that affected the colors. anyway, lets see how this looks.
Registered on November 24, 2006, 521 Posts, 19147 Comments
Comment posted by John Clulow on January 7, 2013 at 6:40 PM
I like what you've done, Lon. Thanks so much for illustrating your suggestions. I was able to follow the explanation pretty well, and at some point in the future when I try to apply what I've learned from you and others here, I'll post another image for your comments.

All of this gives me a lot to think about and work with and I appreciate it very much.
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Comment posted by Barry Vangrov on January 7, 2013 at 8:26 PM
One more point, John: While Lon's version is definitely better background-wise and the background looks to be more color "neutral", one of the most important things to keep in mind when doing artwork photos for the artist use on their websites and festival applications is to make sure the color of the art itself is correct. On your 1st version the color of the pottery is very similar to Lon's but your 2nd version is "warmer" than the other two. Whichever is more accurate to the piece itself is what you want to use. Getting the color balance right is extremely important in shooting artwork and is not always easy.
Registered on September 1, 2009, 148 Posts, 749 Comments