Nature Photographers Network
This is the preserved archive of the original Nature Photographers Network. The community continues at naturephotographers.network.
Laoconte
‹ PreviousLandscape GalleryNext ›

Laoconte

by Igor Doncov

Gallery: LandscapePosted October 27, 201711,044 views16 comments
I recently had a discussion about how images are viewed. I maintained that if the photographer hasn't convey the 'message' of his image to his viewer successfully then he has failed. The other individual felt that an image was to be interpreted based on the viewer's  experience which could vary greatly from the photographers intention. Here I have decided to remove the ambiguity of interpretation by giving it a suggestive title and I'm following it up with the Greek statue I associated with it. I would be lying if I were to say that I thought of this analogy as I was shooting. But it occurred to me while processing the subject.

This is an image I posted 2 years ago which I have gone back to and decided it was better than I thought. I am adding it to my gallery.

I am interested to hear your opinion on how you like to have your images viewed and how you react to images.

Comments

16 comments
Comment posted by Igor Doncov on October 27, 2017 at 3:08 PM
Registered on November 22, 2014, 189 Posts, 2733 Comments
Comment posted by Harley Goldman on October 27, 2017 at 3:57 PM
Even with the name of the image, I would not have gotten the reference (art history is not my strong point). However, I really like the image! It is a bold subject, with great mood. I really like your processing that highlights the tree so well. No suggestions, real sweet. 

Occasionally I name images to "suggest" to the viewer what I wish emphasized. For example, in my foxtail pine wood grain image, I wished to create a mindset to pay attention to the different shades of color (in addition to the grains) so I quite cleverly named it 
Shades of Brown. :)  But for the most part, I either have what I consider to be an appropriate name pop into my head when working on an image or I just name it in descriptive form. When viewing images, I think a name can lead me along a little bit and suggest a train of thought, but not a whole lot. 
Registered on November 19, 2003, 586 Posts, 11271 Comments
Comment posted by Lucy VanSwearingen on October 28, 2017 at 10:07 AM
I love this tree and BG.  The larger image shows the tree to "pop" more, which I was going to suggest.
Registered on May 23, 2009, 800 Posts, 2042 Comments
Comment posted by Brian Schrayer on October 28, 2017 at 12:23 PM
This tree has a lot of character and your composition has shown that masterfully.  I like the lighting on the tree as well as it not only brings out all of the texture but also adds some brightness to the scene which I perceive as peaceful. It is a good reminder to keep my eyes open even after the leaves have dropped. 
Registered on May 28, 2004, 114 Posts, 2890 Comments
Comment posted by Eva McDermott on October 28, 2017 at 2:15 PM
I like the steel blue branches which nicely complement the sky.  I see your analogy with the entangled forms of the statue but I would not have made the connection myself.  The larger version is a must see.  The lovely light is more pronounced.
Registered on January 4, 2009, 1015 Posts, 13229 Comments
Comment posted by Peter Richter on October 29, 2017 at 1:12 PM
Igor, your image is a real storyteller, yet it is telling its own story I think. The muted colors are consistent with the overall feel to it for me and at the same time leave my attention to the bizarre structure as the main element. Very interesting work in my opinion.

Peter
Registered on November 10, 2010, 218 Posts, 2723 Comments
Comment posted by Nick Bristol on October 29, 2017 at 3:13 PM
A wonderful fine art image in my eyes. I love the color and tones in this, excellent composition and beautiful processing.

Nick Bristol
Lone Rock, WI.
Registered on February 1, 2004, 752 Posts, 14140 Comments
Comment posted by Lon Overacker on October 29, 2017 at 3:48 PM
Igor,

Agree with others that the light, colors and processing here are wonderful. Interesting, I think the colors are muted - but in this case, the colors are still wonderful - hard to explain.  And indeed the tree has character. Another interesting element is the dead branch and otherwise messy foreground - yet, just like the "muted" colors, I find the foreground to enhance the image rather than take away.  Everything about this is well placed.

As far as the reference goes, I'm with Harley - and no student of art or even Greek mythology.  I would have made the reference unless you had mentioned it.

To your question, I suppose I'm not like some, and maybe like others.  I usually place no deep thoughts on my images beyond perhaps telling a nature story. So I don't expect viewers to take any meaning from them.  Of course they can and view in whatever thought or manner they wish.
Registered on November 24, 2006, 521 Posts, 19147 Comments
Comment posted by Igor Doncov on October 29, 2017 at 5:22 PM
Perhaps I should explain that there was never meant to suggest that there was an intent for the viewer to see a connection between tree and statue. There was an intent to draw a similar emotional response between tree and statue. I frankly don't even know the story of the man in the statue. 
Registered on November 22, 2014, 189 Posts, 2733 Comments
Comment posted by Rudy Ruberti on October 30, 2017 at 8:02 PM
The message I see here is the struggle of life in a harsh environment.  I saw this statue a couple of years ago in Vatican City, but still couldn't remember it and had to Google the title.  Maybe I made that connection here because while viewing the statue I was wondering how I was going to survive the struggle of being around so many people looking at statues.  Great image.
Registered on October 28, 2008, 179 Posts, 1875 Comments
Comment posted by Wayne Jones on October 30, 2017 at 9:54 PM
My immediate reaction to this image was "tortured" so for me at least, the title's reference to the suffering of Laocoon was not necessary, although it is entirely appropriate.  (In fact I confess that it has been so many decades since I studied Roman and Greek mythology, and art only tangentially, that I misinterpreted the title, and wondered what the great entomologist John LeConte had to do with the image.  Is Igor an entomologist, too?  What insect kiled that tree?  It was not until I scrolled down and saw the statue from the Vatican that I got it.)

Anyway, this reminds me so much of the tortured pines that I like to photograph on windswept ridges, the connection was instant, even though the environment is so different.  Interesting as well as beautiful.  Can you tell us more about the species and the habitat?
Registered on April 18, 2007, 953 Posts, 6435 Comments
Comment posted by Igor Doncov on October 31, 2017 at 12:10 AM
Wayne, I was a marine biologist in my former life, so I don't my bugs. That tree is still very much alive. This is baja's version of an elephant tree. It, too, stores water in it's trunk waiting for the dry period. It's common to have dead branches and the others go on. I think it may be termites that get them? I say that because most homes have termite problems in that area. This area gets virtually no water unless a hurricane drifts that far north. IMO these trees look better without their leaves.
Registered on November 22, 2014, 189 Posts, 2733 Comments
Comment posted by Stephen Stanton on October 31, 2017 at 2:35 AM
Wow,  I might be a little late. I don' t know what the title means, so nothing was conveyed by it... however I see similarity between the epic tortured pose and this wonderful image...they both convey life's struggle to endure. The tree in its seemingly hostile environment and the man and children in their battle with the serpent.     
Registered on March 1, 2015, 54 Posts, 453 Comments
Comment posted by Wayne Jones on October 31, 2017 at 2:52 PM
Thanks for the info, Igor.  Glad to see the tree is still surviving!
Registered on April 18, 2007, 953 Posts, 6435 Comments
Comment posted by Igor Doncov on October 31, 2017 at 8:44 PM
Thank you for your comments. I think we are getting closer to what this image was intended to convey with each comment. The following quote I came across today addresses the subject by a noted photographer.

When the photographer shows us what he considers to be an Equivalent, he is showing us an expression of a feeling, but this feeling is not the feeling he had for the object that he photographed. What really happened is that he recognized an object or a series of forms that, when photographed, would yield an image with specific suggestive powers that can direct the viewer into a specific and known feeling, state, or place within himself.

Minor White

Registered on November 22, 2014, 189 Posts, 2733 Comments
Comment posted by Bill Chambers on November 1, 2017 at 10:57 AM
I really like this, Igor.  I immediately wonder "what kind of tortured life has this tree had?".  That hard life (assuming that it was indded hard) gave it great character.  Nicely seen and presented.
Registered on April 10, 2005, 753 Posts, 21216 Comments