Posted by TIMERNST on December 14, 2006 at 10:41 PM
For those who have missed this, Adobe is releasing the beta version of the new Photoshop 10, AKA CS3, very early Friday morning (Dec. 15th). The gosh-darn download is over 680mb for Mac users (only 355mb for Windows) but will be worth it. One major question has been answered, and it is really good - here is a quote from one of the Photoshop gurus, Martin Evening, about the new PS10/CS3:
"The new Camera Row 4.0 plug-in shares the same new image adjustment controls as will be found in the Adobe Photoshop Lightroom program. And these new Camera Raw controls can now be applied to any image, not just to raw files."
YIPPIE, COYOTE, HURRAY! What this means is that you can get the same functions from the new Photoshop without having to buy and use Lightroom alongside it (Lightroom has some really neat features that Camera Raw has been lacking until now). Lightroom has always been touted as a new browser and organizer and not so much a Photoshop or Camera Raw replacement, and this proof in the pudding seals the deal (Lightroom will be better for folks who have to batch process hundreds of images a day for the sheer speed, but for people like me who only need to actually process a handful of images at a time, this is great). Way to go Adobe!
The final, retail version of the new Photoshop will ship later in the spring of 2007 (perhaps late spring), but this beta version will run until then. You do need a serial number from a current full version of Photoshop to be able to use it. I'll be up at midnight Caliornia time to start the download...(http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs%5Fphotoshop)
Posted by Tim Buchanan on December 15, 2006 at 7:09 AM
It's about time! Although I'd played around with Lightroom, I hadn't been impressed (so far) with the interface to CS2 (kind of clunky) and am glad that CS3 will still be the central point of operations. Only 14 minutes left to download, but unfortunately, I won't be able to play with it until the weekend.
Thanks for the link, Tim!
Posted by BLUFFSPRING on December 15, 2006 at 7:36 AM
Thanks for the link Tim. I guess! Now I'm tempted to go back and tweak all those images that needed more time than I was willing to take at the time of processing.
By the way, how was the download for 600 meg out in the wilderness?
Thanks--Rod
Posted by TIMERNST on December 15, 2006 at 7:56 AM
Rod:
I got up at 3am to start the download - don't think it was posted until after midnight California time. I am at 417mbs with a couple hundred mbs (and a couple hours) left - we have DSL out here otherwise it would be next summer before it was complete!
Posted by Wayne Rhodus on December 15, 2006 at 9:41 AM
Well I've never once played with Lightroom so I don't know what I'm missing or not. But I did copy a video link from the Digital Discussion forum that gives a very nice overview of the new features available in this beta release. I'm sold! Thanks for the update Tim...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Mcye_SAh0o&eurl=
Posted by Tim Ferrell on December 15, 2006 at 9:44 AM
You can get DSL on the fringe of the upper buffalo wilderness. I am within 20 minutes of the capital building and dial up is all I could get until recently. I use an air card now that works off the cell phone towers. It is erratic but I can get up to 1200 kbps.
Posted by TIMERNST on December 15, 2006 at 10:29 AM
Just finished the download - only about six hours. Man there is some great stuff in both Bridge and Camera RAW - I haven't even opened PS yet. One item I really like is the fact you can open and edit any file - jpg, tiff, RAW - in Camera Raw and have all the controls available. Also you have the "loupe" in Bridge, plus can put two or more images together to compare. Lots of neat stuff to play with.
I have always heard photographers moan and groan about the upgrade price for this sort of thing, and there will be a million threads on the net titled "Is it worth the upgrade price?" Holy cow, we are talking about the price of a single roll of film a month to keep current with the most powerful program on the planet. I'm saving thousands a year with digital, heck tens of thousands a year, and I think $10 a month is not too bad of a deal! (upgrades are in the $180 range and come out every 18-20 months).
We've had DSL out here in the middle of nowhere for four years now. I could not imagine living without it. THANKS to all of you who have been paying the Universal Service Fee on your phone bill each month - that is what the little phone companies use to install such things as DSL survice to remote areas (grants from the government that come from that fee)....
Posted by TIMERNST on December 15, 2006 at 6:06 PM
I am happy to report that the new Camera Raw works as advertised, and already saved my butt once today. I have had this weird scanned file I've been working on and could not get the color balance correct. I was a scan from 35mm velvia so I have never been able to use the white balance tool in Camera Raw before. But today I opened the tiff file that I had been working on, clicked once with the white balance tool, and PRESTO, perfect colorbalance at last! When I opened the tif file in Camera Raw it flattened the file, so you need to keep that in mind. But this will even work with jpgs too, and you have the full stick of Camera Raw/Lightroom tools to play with.
Otherwise I have not worked with the new PS much, other than to open and print about a dozen prints I had waiting for me this morning. While I have a feeling this has nothing to do with the new PS itself, those prints looked better than they ever have before (I am also using the new Canon ipf5000 printer). Most of Bridge and Photoshop are the same so there will be a small learning curve to get up and running, although I'm sure there are tons of new features in both to explore. Life is grand in the digital darkroom today!
Posted by Marty Allen on December 16, 2006 at 12:37 AM
Tim,
How do you open a jpg or tiff in CS3 camera raw? Is it a MAC only feature? I've downloaded CS3 and activated it, however, I'm not able to open anything but RAW files on the Windows platform. Any suggestions, other than buy a MAC?
Thanks.
Posted by Marty Allen on December 16, 2006 at 12:53 AM
Tim,
How do you open a jpg or tiff in CS3 camera raw? Is it a MAC only feature? I've downloaded CS3 and activated it, however, I'm not able to open anything but RAW files on the Windows platform. Any suggestions, other than buy a MAC?
Thanks.
Posted by TIMERNST on December 16, 2006 at 7:14 AM
Marty:
This special feature is available only to Ernst workshop students. I'm sure there must be another way to do this as well, but here is one way. Go to Photoshop. In the main menu bar go to FILE > OPEN. Then select your jpg or tif image. Once it is highlighted look down in the bottom left corner for the drop-down menu that is titled "Format:" Select "Camera Raw" (4th from the top) and hit "OPEN." Presto, your photo opens in Camera Raw! As one of my many photoshop heros says, TREY COOL!
Posted by Marty Allen on December 16, 2006 at 12:29 PM
Thanks Tim! That got me in the right direction. On Windows I had to use FILE>OPEN AS. Then select the JPG file and "Open As" = CAMERA RAW. It's the third from top in my Windows list. This is TREY COOL!
The FILE>OPEN took me into PS, bypassing CAMERA RAW, even with the JPG highlighted and CAMERA RAW selected as FILES OF TYPE. I'm sure this is just another Microsoft FEATURE.
Thanks again!
Posted by Bill Dark on December 16, 2006 at 1:15 PM
Holy cow! This is almost too good to be true. This new version is going to keep me soooo busy with a collection of slides that I've never been able too process to my liking. THANKS FOR THE LINK TIM !!!!
Posted by TIMERNST on December 16, 2006 at 1:22 PM
Do keep in mind that unless you have a registered copy of CS2 you can only use this beta program for two days. And since the beta expires at the end of May, I suspect the actual retail version of CS3 will not be available until early May.
For anyone interested in online news about all of this and where to go for some good lessons (even free ones!), this is the best place to start - http://photoshopnews.com/
Posted by Tim Buchanan on December 16, 2006 at 4:41 PM
BTW - regarding opening JPG in Camera RAW, there's also an option in "Edit->Preferences->File Handling" that allows you to set "Prefer Adobe Camera Raw for JPEG Files". Once this is set, you can open JPG files from Bridge and it opens them into ACR first.
This looks like a nice upgrade. PS has finally improved the Curves dialog to include a histogram - that's going to be very helpful! BR is looking a lot better (and the new ACR is fantastic), but I'm encountering the occasional crash one would expect out of beta software.
Posted by TIMERNST on December 16, 2006 at 5:29 PM
So far no crashes here (other than a bear or two just outside the door - this warm weather has brought them out of their caves and into the woods!). Since my jpgs and tiffs have already been processed I can only see needing to open them in ACR every great once in a while so I have not set them to do so in preferences, but it is great to have that option. I am slowly finding a new toy or two, like the "quick selection tool" and "refine edge" - wow, what improvements!
Discussion
15 replies"The new Camera Row 4.0 plug-in shares the same new image adjustment controls as will be found in the Adobe Photoshop Lightroom program. And these new Camera Raw controls can now be applied to any image, not just to raw files."
YIPPIE, COYOTE, HURRAY! What this means is that you can get the same functions from the new Photoshop without having to buy and use Lightroom alongside it (Lightroom has some really neat features that Camera Raw has been lacking until now). Lightroom has always been touted as a new browser and organizer and not so much a Photoshop or Camera Raw replacement, and this proof in the pudding seals the deal (Lightroom will be better for folks who have to batch process hundreds of images a day for the sheer speed, but for people like me who only need to actually process a handful of images at a time, this is great). Way to go Adobe!
The final, retail version of the new Photoshop will ship later in the spring of 2007 (perhaps late spring), but this beta version will run until then. You do need a serial number from a current full version of Photoshop to be able to use it. I'll be up at midnight Caliornia time to start the download...(http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs%5Fphotoshop)
Thanks for the link, Tim!
By the way, how was the download for 600 meg out in the wilderness?
Thanks--Rod
I got up at 3am to start the download - don't think it was posted until after midnight California time. I am at 417mbs with a couple hundred mbs (and a couple hours) left - we have DSL out here otherwise it would be next summer before it was complete!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Mcye_SAh0o&eurl=
I have always heard photographers moan and groan about the upgrade price for this sort of thing, and there will be a million threads on the net titled "Is it worth the upgrade price?" Holy cow, we are talking about the price of a single roll of film a month to keep current with the most powerful program on the planet. I'm saving thousands a year with digital, heck tens of thousands a year, and I think $10 a month is not too bad of a deal! (upgrades are in the $180 range and come out every 18-20 months).
We've had DSL out here in the middle of nowhere for four years now. I could not imagine living without it. THANKS to all of you who have been paying the Universal Service Fee on your phone bill each month - that is what the little phone companies use to install such things as DSL survice to remote areas (grants from the government that come from that fee)....
Otherwise I have not worked with the new PS much, other than to open and print about a dozen prints I had waiting for me this morning. While I have a feeling this has nothing to do with the new PS itself, those prints looked better than they ever have before (I am also using the new Canon ipf5000 printer). Most of Bridge and Photoshop are the same so there will be a small learning curve to get up and running, although I'm sure there are tons of new features in both to explore. Life is grand in the digital darkroom today!
How do you open a jpg or tiff in CS3 camera raw? Is it a MAC only feature? I've downloaded CS3 and activated it, however, I'm not able to open anything but RAW files on the Windows platform. Any suggestions, other than buy a MAC?
Thanks.
How do you open a jpg or tiff in CS3 camera raw? Is it a MAC only feature? I've downloaded CS3 and activated it, however, I'm not able to open anything but RAW files on the Windows platform. Any suggestions, other than buy a MAC?
Thanks.
This special feature is available only to Ernst workshop students. I'm sure there must be another way to do this as well, but here is one way. Go to Photoshop. In the main menu bar go to FILE > OPEN. Then select your jpg or tif image. Once it is highlighted look down in the bottom left corner for the drop-down menu that is titled "Format:" Select "Camera Raw" (4th from the top) and hit "OPEN." Presto, your photo opens in Camera Raw! As one of my many photoshop heros says, TREY COOL!
The FILE>OPEN took me into PS, bypassing CAMERA RAW, even with the JPG highlighted and CAMERA RAW selected as FILES OF TYPE. I'm sure this is just another Microsoft FEATURE.
Thanks again!
For anyone interested in online news about all of this and where to go for some good lessons (even free ones!), this is the best place to start - http://photoshopnews.com/
This looks like a nice upgrade. PS has finally improved the Curves dialog to include a histogram - that's going to be very helpful! BR is looking a lot better (and the new ACR is fantastic), but I'm encountering the occasional crash one would expect out of beta software.