Posted by Robert Helms on December 25, 2006 at 11:44 AM
As I'm trying to set this printer up, every single image I've printed has a green cast somewhere in it.
Now I've read the manual and followed it numerous times with little results. I've searched the net and most of the information I've found shows this to be a profile issue. I've followed everything to the letter that was found on the internet.
I've tried letting Photoshop choose the colors.
I've tried letting the printer choose the colors.
I select the correct paper
I've loaded the profiles for the paper I was using - now I'm just using regualar paper since I'm out of photo paper - except the larger stuff that I don't want to waste; I'm wasting enough ink as is.
I've tried Adobe RGB1998. Adobe sRGB.
In the printers advanced settings I've selected ICM and checked no color management.
I've done a nozzle check pattern, just for kicks and all is well.
I'm not sure if I was suppose to do this, but in Windows >System32 >Spool >Drivers >Color I added the printer to the profiles for RGB 1998 and sRGB. This is the lastest attempt I've made.
My monitor has been calibrated using a Spyder. In the run utility I made sure that the Adobe gamma is disabled upon start up.
I'm stumped, I have a headache that Excedrin can't cure and I'd really rather be out taking images.
Any help will be greatly appreciated. After six hours messing with this It's starting to get on my nerves, and I'm a patient person.
If it helps I took the below image and saved it as Adobe RGB 1998 as a TIFF and went to my local Fuji self serve machine and the print was right on what I'm viewing in monitor. I've also tried just printing various other images on the R1800 with the same green cast. At least I'm consistent
Below is the link to the image I'm trying to print. The water at the bottom of the frame, and the tree that is dark behind the mist along the right side both come out with a noticable green cast to them.
Posted by Guy Tal on December 25, 2006 at 11:57 AM
Adobe RGB is a good working color space for ICC-aware applications, and sRGB is a generic display color space. Neither are meant for printing.
If you let Photoshop manage color, you need to select the output paper profile (in the "Print with Preview" dialog) and turn color management off in the printer driver.
If you let the printer driver manage color you need to select the paper type from the driver list and make sure to enable color management in the driver.
It sounds to me like you tried multiple combination with conflicting settings. Hopefully this will clear things up.
Guy
Posted by Robert Helms on December 25, 2006 at 12:49 PM
Thanks for the quicky reply, Guy. I tried three more times and still haven't gotten rid of the cast.
Here what my last settings were.
Print with preview
Print . document sRGB. I'm not certain what this is suppose to say. I've had it showing sRGB, RGB and Stylus R1800
Options: Let printer determine colors
relative colorimetric
Epson Properties
Source : sheet
Type: enhanced matte - which it was
ICM: checked
Driver basic
sRGB
Perceptual
Epson Standard
SPR1800 enhanced matte
If I'm letting the printer decide the colors do I have to select a Color setting, Assign a profile or Convert to profile while in PS?
I hate to think how many different variations of settings I've tried. There's a pile of prints on the floor, three pages of notes and still no luck. I've even tried printing a digital file that I converted from a raw to a jpeg and just hit print without the image ever setting foot in PS.
Thanks again
Posted by Robert Helms on December 25, 2006 at 1:12 PM
I may have found the problem, Guy. Last night when I was doing a nozzle check it was 02:30 am and I was tired. I'm currently viewing the test print, but it only shows seven targets. I believe one is missing, and I didn't notice because there isn't any gaps, instead there isn't anything there.
Stay tuned. I'm glad I purchased this for convenience reasons, because economics is right out the window.
Posted by Robert Helms on December 25, 2006 at 1:26 PM
Problem solved. There's nothing quite like feeling stupid in order to keep one in check. Funny how I make a post here and then realize the error after many hours of working on it.
So what finally solved it? Was one of the cartridges blocked?
Jeff
Posted by Robert Helms on December 26, 2006 at 7:48 PM
Jeff, yes one of the cartridges wasn't dispensing any ink at all. Strange, I assume, for a new printer. I ran the head cleaning utility and the problem solved itself.
This was a problem I should've caught myself when I ran a nozzle check, but like I mentioned in one of the earlier posts I was looking for gaps in the print flow, per the manual, and wasn't really looking for one of the ink colors to be missing, nor was I expecting to have that kind of issue out of the box. Really a lack of paying attention on my part.
The first big mistake was going to the internet for help. Google green cast with R1800 and finding information on conflicting profiles is easy to find. I assumed that was it and kept trying different settings, all while writing down each set-up, then I would print a small test. After finally giving up I posted a query here and soon there after realized the problem.
The prints now are really close to what my monitor shows, but I'm still reading up on color management. Having my monitor calibrated is no longer good enough I want my prints to be as close as possible. They're close now, but I'm sure they can be closer.
Posted by Les Barstow on December 27, 2006 at 10:18 AM
Good to hear your printer wasn't completely broken.
Your next step if you're looking for really, really close output is to do a color profile on your printer/paper combination. If you've got any options on this, make sure you profile as many target colors as possible in order to get the most complete color mapping.
Stick to AdobeRGB when taking or scanning pictures, and let Photoshop do the color management on your printing.
I guess you're not feeling very warm and fuzzy about it right now, but my understanding is that the R1800 is the big brother of my R800, which has been very good for me. I often wish I had just coughed up the extra money for the R1800 so I could make bigger prints at home. Then again, I rarely have any use for prints bigger than 8x12.
Pete D.
Posted by Robert Helms on December 27, 2006 at 8:09 PM
Well, Pete I'm back into the holiday spirit now. After I realized my error I'm becoming very satisfied with the prints I'm creating from the 1800, and I'm certain to be ecstatic once I get the profiles all set up.
The 1800 really does seem to do a wonderful job making prints. Some don't seem to enjoy printing at home, but me I'm going to love it.
Discussion
9 repliesNow I've read the manual and followed it numerous times with little results. I've searched the net and most of the information I've found shows this to be a profile issue. I've followed everything to the letter that was found on the internet.
I've tried letting Photoshop choose the colors.
I've tried letting the printer choose the colors.
I select the correct paper
I've loaded the profiles for the paper I was using - now I'm just using regualar paper since I'm out of photo paper - except the larger stuff that I don't want to waste; I'm wasting enough ink as is.
I've tried Adobe RGB1998. Adobe sRGB.
In the printers advanced settings I've selected ICM and checked no color management.
I've done a nozzle check pattern, just for kicks and all is well.
I'm not sure if I was suppose to do this, but in Windows >System32 >Spool >Drivers >Color I added the printer to the profiles for RGB 1998 and sRGB. This is the lastest attempt I've made.
My monitor has been calibrated using a Spyder. In the run utility I made sure that the Adobe gamma is disabled upon start up.
I'm stumped, I have a headache that Excedrin can't cure and I'd really rather be out taking images.
Any help will be greatly appreciated. After six hours messing with this It's starting to get on my nerves, and I'm a patient person.
If it helps I took the below image and saved it as Adobe RGB 1998 as a TIFF and went to my local Fuji self serve machine and the print was right on what I'm viewing in monitor. I've also tried just printing various other images on the R1800 with the same green cast. At least I'm consistent
Below is the link to the image I'm trying to print. The water at the bottom of the frame, and the tree that is dark behind the mist along the right side both come out with a noticable green cast to them.
Thanks for any input and have a Merry Christmas
http://www.naturephotographers.net/imagecritique/ic.cgi?a=vp&pr=59419&b=up&st=0&la=3&ph=2&sid=1195&u=1195
If you let Photoshop manage color, you need to select the output paper profile (in the "Print with Preview" dialog) and turn color management off in the printer driver.
If you let the printer driver manage color you need to select the paper type from the driver list and make sure to enable color management in the driver.
It sounds to me like you tried multiple combination with conflicting settings. Hopefully this will clear things up.
Guy
Here what my last settings were.
Print with preview
Print . document sRGB. I'm not certain what this is suppose to say. I've had it showing sRGB, RGB and Stylus R1800
Options: Let printer determine colors
relative colorimetric
Epson Properties
Source : sheet
Type: enhanced matte - which it was
ICM: checked
Driver basic
sRGB
Perceptual
Epson Standard
SPR1800 enhanced matte
If I'm letting the printer decide the colors do I have to select a Color setting, Assign a profile or Convert to profile while in PS?
I hate to think how many different variations of settings I've tried. There's a pile of prints on the floor, three pages of notes and still no luck. I've even tried printing a digital file that I converted from a raw to a jpeg and just hit print without the image ever setting foot in PS.
Thanks again
Stay tuned. I'm glad I purchased this for convenience reasons, because economics is right out the window.
Always pay attention to detail!
Happy Holidays
Jeff
This was a problem I should've caught myself when I ran a nozzle check, but like I mentioned in one of the earlier posts I was looking for gaps in the print flow, per the manual, and wasn't really looking for one of the ink colors to be missing, nor was I expecting to have that kind of issue out of the box. Really a lack of paying attention on my part.
The first big mistake was going to the internet for help. Google green cast with R1800 and finding information on conflicting profiles is easy to find. I assumed that was it and kept trying different settings, all while writing down each set-up, then I would print a small test. After finally giving up I posted a query here and soon there after realized the problem.
The prints now are really close to what my monitor shows, but I'm still reading up on color management. Having my monitor calibrated is no longer good enough I want my prints to be as close as possible. They're close now, but I'm sure they can be closer.
Your next step if you're looking for really, really close output is to do a color profile on your printer/paper combination. If you've got any options on this, make sure you profile as many target colors as possible in order to get the most complete color mapping.
Stick to AdobeRGB when taking or scanning pictures, and let Photoshop do the color management on your printing.
Pete D.
The 1800 really does seem to do a wonderful job making prints. Some don't seem to enjoy printing at home, but me I'm going to love it.