Posted by Barrie Harwood on February 22, 2007 at 2:52 AM
not sure why they bothered announcing it.. it really must rank as one of the worst kept 'secret's for a very long time .
I think the only part of the specification that hadn't been previously reported was "Live View" and the use of Picture Modes is a little baffling in a pro-spec camera. Having said that, it looks like a very well specified piece of kit and will be great for pro-sports togs etc. Not sure what anyone else other than a pro-sports or press tog would get out of 10fps so I imagine the 1Ds-II (or it 's imminent replacement) will still be camera of choice for nature and landscape photographers.
The 1Ds-III (note 1Ds-III) is going to be a very highly sought after piece of kit when it is eventually announced as will a replacement for the 100-400 lens which most people would be delighted to hear about. On lenses, I am surprised they have bothered to upgrade the 16-35 - I don't feel it really needs it but what the heck, it'll keep those that like buying new kit happy!
Barrie
Posted by John MacTavish on February 22, 2007 at 3:37 AM
Mmm, I've got 10fps on my old 1nRS.
Your ears must be big Barrie, even Phil Askey was taken by surprise by its announcement
No doubt this will be the big buy for me this year (watches the mrs cringe). Theres a lot to like with it, not just the 10fps, the lack of noise at high ISO and extra cross type AF sensors will make shooting fast moving sports in dull winter light a much more pleasant experience.
Live view is something useful for macro shooting, or for setting up wide angle lenses behind goal posts. I wonder if it can be viewed through a wireless connection to a laptop.
Biggest downside I can see so far is that there is a new battery that is not compatible with the previous 1D series ones.......no doubt this will be Canon's way of keeping us away from 3rd party items, but surely the easiest way to keep us away from 3rd party ones would be to keep the price realistic.......my Landrover battery costs less than a 1D one
I can see this 1dm3 causing agency contraversy in our market sector; I hope it doesn't and it is accepted - as it should be.
Posted by Dave Courtenay on February 22, 2007 at 4:23 AM
Yes agents are asking for a min of 10mp this year and will obviously increase this next year-think i will wait for the 1ds3
Posted by Barrie Harwood on February 22, 2007 at 4:31 AM
Why the 'even Phil Askey' - the last time I checked, he wasn't sitting at God's right hand
Seriously though - most of the spec has been guessed at for many weeks now on most photo forums. It's not rocket science after all is it. If they were going to replace the 1D-II (which was likely given the usual Canon lifecycle), then it had to be a move upwards from current spec (obvious) and therefore this meant more pixels, higher fps rate and incorpration of technology already present on 'lesser' models (dust capture, new processor etc).
This is exactly what will happen in the new 1Ds-III - more pixels, higher fps and Digic III processor, etc etc.
Barrie
Posted by Chris Lloyd on February 22, 2007 at 4:36 AM
Hi Barrie,
On the above post, you made this comment:
'which was likely given the usual Canon lifecycle'
Being a Nikon shooter, are Canon's not as hard wearing?
Regards Chris
Posted by Dave Courtenay on February 22, 2007 at 4:45 AM
By the canon lifecycle i think Barrie ment that Canon tend to upgrade their camers every 18 months/2 years
Posted by Barrie Harwood on February 22, 2007 at 4:59 AM
As Dave says - we are talking commercial lifecycle not camera longevity!
Nikon would produce cameras in a similar pattern but it's taken them 20 years to work out how to do image stabilisation
Back to the 1D-III - I was thinking about getting another body as I have been asked to cover quite a few sporting events and the frame rate would be very handy. The 1D-IIn is now (i.e from today I imagine) going to be plummeting in price so a good secondhand 1D-IIn might well be on the shopping list (not sure I can justify the 1D-III though to be fair, this has never stopped me in the past). I feel a tad sorry (not that much though) for those people who have current bids on 1D-IIn's at the Outlet Shop on eBay - I bet they wish they hadn't now!
Barrie
Posted by Graeme Lee on February 22, 2007 at 5:02 AM
Barrie, did Nikon not start image stabilisation and sell it to Canon or something like that? I recall reading somewhere that it did? Unless it was a windup...... I don't care, I have it on my lens whatever it is
The size of the pixel in the new 1D3 is the same as that in a 1Ds2. Therefore, given advancement in sensor technology, one would assume that the image produced by a 1D3 would be a better image than the image obtained ( if both photos where taken from the same position) by cropping a 1Ds2 to 10M.
That said, obviously, if the subject size in the viewfinder are simlar in both cameras ( the ids2 will have to be closer), the 1Ds2 still shines.
There's one of the agencies to consider .
Posted by Paul Gibbs on February 22, 2007 at 5:50 AM
To be honest, is 10mp that much of an improvement? I think the ability to calibrate the camera for focus is very nice and probably the "killer feature" of the camera.
8mp -> 10mp isnt much and 8.5 fps to 10fps isnt much... Live view is interesting, but probably only for use in macro/still life?
Posted by Rob Howard on February 22, 2007 at 6:04 AM
Hi all,
Sounds like an interesting bit of kit, some good changes, I have a 1DMKII, so may sell this and invest in a few months once all the dust has settled. Anyway here's a link to some sample images from the MKIII :
Posted by Rob Ashton on February 22, 2007 at 8:31 AM
No-one has mentioned the 19 cross type focus sensors here. That is a bonus. The buffer is good too. My only disappointment is that my MkIIn is now obsolete and shall stop working in April
Sounds an interesting idea, but I have a nagging doubt that the Live view feature might not work alongside MLU, may be wrong but think about it..... unless of course they have introduced (re-introduced) a hybrid shutter (I think the original 1D had one)
Certainly looks interesting and is the first 1 series that has tempted me, hope the lens calibration thingy makes it to other cameras as that looks great...
Phil
Posted by Sean Bolton on February 22, 2007 at 9:17 AM
I think the 1DmkIII is quite a significant update, and has quite a few really nice features, but this camera is clearly targeted at the Photo-Journalist/Sports photographer where speed and high ISO performance is more important than number of pixels.
For the wildlife photographer 8fps and 12 megapixels would have been a better compromise, especially for those aiming at the stock photography market. I think if you aren't too worried about big files for stock photography then 10 Megapixels is more than enough. I get great A3+ (and larger) prints from a 20D as it is.
I guess most of the DIGIC III features will appear in the 1DsMkIII when that appears, except with 22MegaPixels and at 4 fps.
Things that caught my eye ;
14 bit A/D and ISO 6400, it will be interesting to see now the lower ISO's look noise wise
Highlight Tone priority, one for the wedding photographers (and handy for Shelducks!)
Safety ISO Mode (is this Auto ISO??) about time too......
Live Preview, it will be interesting to see how useful this is in practice.
Silent Shutter mode, what a good idea, like that one.
Auto Sensor cleaning, no more Sensor swabs......
AF calibration, Canon acknowledges the back focus issues and lets the user sort it out!
better AF (it was good anyway), X-Sync at 1/300th, 3" LCD, lighter body and battery, all very nice upgrades.
Also I am glad to see the Speedlite 580EX has gained a PC socket. Very useful for wireless remote triggering.
The 16-35 update is probably really intended for the 1DsMKIII and again it will be interesting to see how this lens performs as Canon is regularly beaten up about the problems with full frame sensors and corner softness especially on wide angle lenses. 82mm front thread too. I wonder if the 24-70 will be next in line for an update? preferably with IS.
I would have liked the frame rate to be adjustable, seems it is either 10fps or 3fps. 5fps would be nice.
Overall this camera is full of new features and innovations, no single feature on it's own is a big deal, but as a combined package I think this is a great camera. And the price is the same as the current 1DmkII, which is nice.
The only feature missing (which I think they might have prototyped) is video capture in HD mode. With the Live capture (at 30fps) this would be possible and maybe this explains the real reason for the small RAW mode. Probably with the buffer RAM in the 1DMKIII it could capture about 60 seconds worth of HD video. A handy feature for the Photo Journalist but maybe a little ahead of its time. Look for that one in the MkIV.
50% increase in shutter durability to 300,000 actuations.
Should keep even the most prolific of shooters going.................................at least untill the next upgrade.
Posted by Rob Howard on February 22, 2007 at 10:12 AM
Walters are taking £50 deposit pre orders, expected in stock by April with RRP of £3049.99
Rob
Posted by Sean Bolton on February 22, 2007 at 11:04 AM
>> with RRP of £3049.99
Blimey I hope not! Hopefully the UK price (once the camera starts shipping) will be at least under £2500
From Canon's blurb ;
"Scheduled for initial U.S. shipments in Spring, the estimated selling price of the EOS-1D Mark III Digital SLR will be similar to that of its predecessor, the EOS-1D Mark II N Digital SLR"
$3999 RRP in the USA according to Rob Galbraith
Either we get ripped off in the UK, or the price should be about £2200 at current exchange rates.
cheers
Sean
Posted by Rob Howard on February 22, 2007 at 12:03 PM
Hi Sean,
Yes we do get ripped off . Walters said that is the price they would be selling them for.
$3999 (and I am sure that will decrease slightly) is £2043 UK pounds at todays exchange rate.
Now I know we live in ripp off Britain, but if we are being asked to pay 50% (£1000) more than America...
Posted by Dave Courtenay on February 22, 2007 at 12:36 PM
RRP definantly £3049 Which is what the 1d2N was when it first came out
Posted by John MacTavish on February 22, 2007 at 1:02 PM
I can see a phone call to my friend in America on the horizon.
Posted by Kevin Lewis on February 22, 2007 at 1:04 PM
Fly to the States and bring one home in the dutyfree bag ;) Wonder what Kerso will sell them for?
Posted by John MacTavish on February 22, 2007 at 1:22 PM
Fly to the States and bring one home in the dutyfree bag
I was gonna do that with my 400 Kev. Kerso was the cheaper option and the import was 100% legal too.
Posted by Marko Trebušak on February 22, 2007 at 3:51 PM
Tom, even 50 ms, the shutter lag of 1D and its offspring is faster than human reaction time. But if you think about IR trapping, well a bird can fly a long way in 50 ms. So if shutter lag with live view is in ballpark of 10 ms, it should be even more interesting.
Marko
Posted by Kevin Lewis on February 22, 2007 at 4:28 PM
output the live view to an motion sensing program and you have the making of a pretty cool triggering system. Like a zigview on steroids lol
Posted by Dave Courtenay on February 22, 2007 at 4:28 PM
I think the live view will only be good for still life/macro work as the canon site shows that you have to put it in manual focus to activate it and then it lifts the mirror to work
Posted by Dave Courtenay on February 22, 2007 at 4:33 PM
Discussion
36 replieshttp://www.dpreview.com/news/0702/07022208canoneos1dmarkiii.asp
http://www.usa.canon.com/templatedata/pressrelease/20070221_1dmark3.html
Mark
EOS 1D mk3 White Paper
Sean
I think the only part of the specification that hadn't been previously reported was "Live View" and the use of Picture Modes is a little baffling in a pro-spec camera. Having said that, it looks like a very well specified piece of kit and will be great for pro-sports togs etc. Not sure what anyone else other than a pro-sports or press tog would get out of 10fps so I imagine the 1Ds-II (or it 's imminent replacement) will still be camera of choice for nature and landscape photographers.
The 1Ds-III (note 1Ds-III) is going to be a very highly sought after piece of kit when it is eventually announced as will a replacement for the 100-400 lens which most people would be delighted to hear about. On lenses, I am surprised they have bothered to upgrade the 16-35 - I don't feel it really needs it but what the heck, it'll keep those that like buying new kit happy!
Barrie
Your ears must be big Barrie, even Phil Askey was taken by surprise by its announcement
No doubt this will be the big buy for me this year (watches the mrs cringe). Theres a lot to like with it, not just the 10fps, the lack of noise at high ISO and extra cross type AF sensors will make shooting fast moving sports in dull winter light a much more pleasant experience.
Live view is something useful for macro shooting, or for setting up wide angle lenses behind goal posts. I wonder if it can be viewed through a wireless connection to a laptop.
Biggest downside I can see so far is that there is a new battery that is not compatible with the previous 1D series ones.......no doubt this will be Canon's way of keeping us away from 3rd party items, but surely the easiest way to keep us away from 3rd party ones would be to keep the price realistic.......my Landrover battery costs less than a 1D one
Seriously though - most of the spec has been guessed at for many weeks now on most photo forums. It's not rocket science after all is it. If they were going to replace the 1D-II (which was likely given the usual Canon lifecycle), then it had to be a move upwards from current spec (obvious) and therefore this meant more pixels, higher fps rate and incorpration of technology already present on 'lesser' models (dust capture, new processor etc).
This is exactly what will happen in the new 1Ds-III - more pixels, higher fps and Digic III processor, etc etc.
Barrie
On the above post, you made this comment:
'which was likely given the usual Canon lifecycle'
Being a Nikon shooter, are Canon's not as hard wearing?
Regards Chris
Nikon would produce cameras in a similar pattern but it's taken them 20 years to work out how to do image stabilisation
Back to the 1D-III - I was thinking about getting another body as I have been asked to cover quite a few sporting events and the frame rate would be very handy. The 1D-IIn is now (i.e from today I imagine) going to be plummeting in price so a good secondhand 1D-IIn might well be on the shopping list (not sure I can justify the 1D-III though to be fair, this has never stopped me in the past). I feel a tad sorry (not that much though) for those people who have current bids on 1D-IIn's at the Outlet Shop on eBay - I bet they wish they hadn't now!
Barrie
Phillip.
The size of the pixel in the new 1D3 is the same as that in a 1Ds2. Therefore, given advancement in sensor technology, one would assume that the image produced by a 1D3 would be a better image than the image obtained ( if both photos where taken from the same position) by cropping a 1Ds2 to 10M.
That said, obviously, if the subject size in the viewfinder are simlar in both cameras ( the ids2 will have to be closer), the 1Ds2 still shines.
There's one of the agencies to consider
8mp -> 10mp isnt much and 8.5 fps to 10fps isnt much... Live view is interesting, but probably only for use in macro/still life?
Sounds like an interesting bit of kit, some good changes, I have a 1DMKII, so may sell this and invest in a few months once all the dust has settled. Anyway here's a link to some sample images from the MKIII :
http://www.canon.co.jp/Imaging/eos1dm3/eos1dm3_sample-e.html
Regards
Rob
Marko
Rob
Sounds an interesting idea, but I have a nagging doubt that the Live view feature might not work alongside MLU, may be wrong but think about it..... unless of course they have introduced (re-introduced) a hybrid shutter (I think the original 1D had one)
Certainly looks interesting and is the first 1 series that has tempted me, hope the lens calibration thingy makes it to other cameras as that looks great...
Phil
For the wildlife photographer 8fps and 12 megapixels would have been a better compromise, especially for those aiming at the stock photography market. I think if you aren't too worried about big files for stock photography then 10 Megapixels is more than enough. I get great A3+ (and larger) prints from a 20D as it is.
I guess most of the DIGIC III features will appear in the 1DsMkIII when that appears, except with 22MegaPixels and at 4 fps.
Things that caught my eye ;
14 bit A/D and ISO 6400, it will be interesting to see now the lower ISO's look noise wise
Highlight Tone priority, one for the wedding photographers (and handy for Shelducks!)
Safety ISO Mode (is this Auto ISO??) about time too......
Live Preview, it will be interesting to see how useful this is in practice.
Silent Shutter mode, what a good idea, like that one.
Auto Sensor cleaning, no more Sensor swabs......
AF calibration, Canon acknowledges the back focus issues and lets the user sort it out!
better AF (it was good anyway), X-Sync at 1/300th, 3" LCD, lighter body and battery, all very nice upgrades.
Also I am glad to see the Speedlite 580EX has gained a PC socket. Very useful for wireless remote triggering.
The 16-35 update is probably really intended for the 1DsMKIII and again it will be interesting to see how this lens performs as Canon is regularly beaten up about the problems with full frame sensors and corner softness especially on wide angle lenses. 82mm front thread too. I wonder if the 24-70 will be next in line for an update? preferably with IS.
I would have liked the frame rate to be adjustable, seems it is either 10fps or 3fps. 5fps would be nice.
Overall this camera is full of new features and innovations, no single feature on it's own is a big deal, but as a combined package I think this is a great camera. And the price is the same as the current 1DmkII, which is nice.
The only feature missing (which I think they might have prototyped) is video capture in HD mode. With the Live capture (at 30fps) this would be possible and maybe this explains the real reason for the small RAW mode. Probably with the buffer RAM in the 1DMKIII it could capture about 60 seconds worth of HD video. A handy feature for the Photo Journalist but maybe a little ahead of its time. Look for that one in the MkIV.
Nice one Canon
cheers
Sean
Camera or Computer.................
Phil
Should keep even the most prolific of shooters going.................................at least untill the next upgrade.
Rob
Blimey I hope not! Hopefully the UK price (once the camera starts shipping) will be at least under £2500
From Canon's blurb ;
"Scheduled for initial U.S. shipments in Spring, the estimated selling price of the EOS-1D Mark III Digital SLR will be similar to that of its predecessor, the EOS-1D Mark II N Digital SLR"
$3999 RRP in the USA according to Rob Galbraith
Either we get ripped off in the UK, or the price should be about £2200 at current exchange rates.
cheers
Sean
Yes we do get ripped off
Regards
Rob
Now I know we live in ripp off Britain, but if we are being asked to pay 50% (£1000) more than America...
I was gonna do that with my 400 Kev. Kerso was the cheaper option and the import was 100% legal too.
Marko