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Waterfall hot spots

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Posted by Robert Ivy on May 8, 2007 at 10:14 PM
I enjoy photographing waterfalls. I use both digital and film camera's and employ the use of a neutral density filter to get the perfect picture but have never been able to completely eliminate hot spots from my photos. I've tried used light meters both normal and spot but at least one spot persist. What am I missing?
Thanx, Bob
Posted by Kent Staubus on May 8, 2007 at 10:23 PM
Shoot on an overcast day? Or, there's the South Dakota solution--shoot them in winter when they are frozen. :biggrin:


Kent in SD
Posted by Preston Birdwell on May 9, 2007 at 12:41 AM
If you are using a camera that can display the histogram, look to the high-value side of the curve. If there is a 'spike', this indicates that those values will be overexposed. The solution is to decrease the exposure to bring in the high values. It may not be possible to get a good exposure if part of the subject is in bright sunlight, and other parts have deep shadows.

Shooting in subdued light, when the contrast is low, will often yield the best results; both in terms of exposure and aesthetic appeal of the photograph.

-PB
Posted by Clif Moore on May 9, 2007 at 7:33 AM
In addition to the excellent advice above, you may attempt an HDR solution if shooting digital. This could be done fairly simply if you are using a slow shutter speed to blur the water as the rest of the scene should be static.

Clif
Posted by Rod Barbee on May 9, 2007 at 9:43 AM
If by hot spots you're referring to the water going white, then I wouldn't really worry too much about it. If you under expose so much as to eliminate the white completely, then you'll just be introducing noise into the rest of the image.
If, on the other hand, you're referring to hot spots from specular highlights off of rocks and leaves, then that can be solved by a polarizer (you didn't mention if you're using one).
And of course, if you're photographing on a sunny day then you'll get hot spots. Just come back on an overcast day (you could try any number of multiple image/photoshop tricks, but photoshop can't create the appropriate light for a given situation)
Posted by Bill Chambers on May 9, 2007 at 10:33 AM
If the watefalls are the only real hotspots on the image you can also use the Selective Color tool in an adjustment layer. Open up the tool, choose White, and add some black to it. It will darken the hotspot and allow some detail to show. Like I said though, this works when there's not a lot of other whites that aren't blown out.
Posted by Josh Anderson on May 9, 2007 at 11:39 AM
Just underexpose it a little and then check the histogram. If you still have hot spots, adjust for your expsosure even more.
Posted by Mike Horn on May 9, 2007 at 2:10 PM
What others have said, underexpose the shot, check to see if your whites are to high, then just drop down .1/3 stop, then .5 stop. Another, never shoot under bright sun conditions, you will almost always get hotspots. I have stacked 8x, 4x ND filter, along with my polarizer, and still have gotten hotspots when shooting falls under sunlight. Plus, shooting under overcast skies gives you a more natural color rendition, and eliminates any hotspots if exposure is correct.
Posted by Kah Kit Yoong on May 9, 2007 at 11:51 PM
Apart from the above advice about shooting under cloudy conditions & underexposing you should adjust the shutter speed accordingly. Hot spots develop in areas of fastest moving water. You should choose the minimum shutter speed that creates the effect you are after.
Posted by Robert Ivy on May 11, 2007 at 7:17 PM
Thanx for all the info. I'll try the options presented and get back with the results. I am curious as to what is meant by an HDR solution.
Regards, Bob
:smile:
Posted by Rod Barbee on May 13, 2007 at 12:45 AM
HDR= High Dynamic Range. It's when you take several of the exact same image at different exposures and blend them together, taking the best exposure for specific areas of an image. There's a function in Photoshop CS2 and CS3 that will take RAW image (16-bit) and blend them into a 32-bit HDR image. It takes a little practice and some tweaking.
You can do a Google search on HDR images and probably come up with several good tutorials.
Posted by Rod Barbee on May 13, 2007 at 12:51 AM
Also, I would be wary of underexposing a shot too much just so you don't get any white in the water. The noise trade off and the extra photoshop work isn't worth it, in my opinion.
Just think back to slide film days. When shooting waterfalls we basically needed to expose for the rest of the scene and just let the water fall where it may (pun intended :wink: ).
The caution about longer shutter speeds and the white building up is a good one to keep in mind.
And keep in mind the cautions about sunny days. There are no filters you can put on that will eliminate hot spots from a sunny day in the forest. Polarizers will eliminate glare from rocks, leaves, and the surface of the water. ND filters will just let in less light overall, requiring longer shutter speeds. They won't help with contrast.