Posted by Paul King on September 4, 2007 at 2:31 PM
Thank you for your comments and in an effort to get this right I have made the adjustments as mentioend and now hope it presents better.
here it looks awful?
Having check the web image it still does not look right, I did check it was profiled for sRGB for upload but still, to get this close will mean boosting the contrast well above the normal looking jpg on my monitor.
Paul the idea is to add the re-post into your original post so people can see the difference between the two and comment accordingly. You shouldn't really delete images once people have commented on them.
I think I mentioned this before but to get the most valuable and accurate critique on your images you need to post the technical details with every shot as well as stating if any major alterations have been made, including substantial cropping.
I noticed you mentioned you're using an un-calibrated monitor, a decent monitor calibrator such as a Gretag Macbeth Eyeone, Monacco Optix, Colorvision Spyder,etc.etc should really be a priority if your serious about getting the best from your images. Without this you're really fighting a losing battle.
Regarding your image, the original one you posted looked fine, your re-post above is suffering from way way too much contrast. The original post looked like it was taken in very cloudy diffused light in which case you wouldn't expect the scene to be particularly contrasty.
I'm afraid you are not making it easy for yourself or for anyone to try to help... As Justin says you need to work with a calibrated and profiled system....
I also note you are using Rawshooter is that correct, then if so one of its weaknesses was in setting the w/b correctly you really had to guess at col temp and tone, or shoot a grey card for every set, it is far easier if your converter has a series of presets to start from (most of the others...)
You really need to post the steps taken whilst processing including amounts i.e.
Exp comp + 1/3
etc
That way it will be easier to see extreme adjustments and advise you.....
Agree with Justin re the repost the original image was much more pleasing.
Phil
Posted by Philip Kirkham on September 5, 2007 at 4:19 AM
"You shouldn't really delete images once people have commented on them."
Justin is absolutely correct, as is his critique.
best wishes
Phil
Posted by Andy Astbury on September 5, 2007 at 8:22 AM
Paul - I did suggest on your Egret post that you might do well to stop using Raw Shooter in favour of something such as CapOne Pro or even Camera Raw.
But you really do need to get a calibration package installed and your monitor profiled before you can do anything properly.
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4 replieshere it looks awful?
Having check the web image it still does not look right, I did check it was profiled for sRGB for upload but still, to get this close will mean boosting the contrast well above the normal looking jpg on my monitor.
thanks
Paul
I think I mentioned this before but to get the most valuable and accurate critique on your images you need to post the technical details with every shot as well as stating if any major alterations have been made, including substantial cropping.
I noticed you mentioned you're using an un-calibrated monitor, a decent monitor calibrator such as a Gretag Macbeth Eyeone, Monacco Optix, Colorvision Spyder,etc.etc should really be a priority if your serious about getting the best from your images. Without this you're really fighting a losing battle.
Regarding your image, the original one you posted looked fine, your re-post above is suffering from way way too much contrast. The original post looked like it was taken in very cloudy diffused light in which case you wouldn't expect the scene to be particularly contrasty.
I'm afraid you are not making it easy for yourself or for anyone to try to help... As Justin says you need to work with a calibrated and profiled system....
I also note you are using Rawshooter is that correct, then if so one of its weaknesses was in setting the w/b correctly you really had to guess at col temp and tone, or shoot a grey card for every set, it is far easier if your converter has a series of presets to start from (most of the others...)
You really need to post the steps taken whilst processing including amounts i.e.
Exp comp + 1/3
etc
That way it will be easier to see extreme adjustments and advise you.....
Agree with Justin re the repost the original image was much more pleasing.
Phil
Justin is absolutely correct, as is his critique.
best wishes
Phil
But you really do need to get a calibration package installed and your monitor profiled before you can do anything properly.