I've been wanting to pose this question for a while and the recent thread about comment ratios has motivated me to post this.
What brings you NPN? Why are you here and more importantly, why do you stay and pay for membership?
I'll start by giving you my reasons. I'll be perfectly honest, I came here to share my work with others. I came to get feedback and validation of my work. I've had a long passion for photographing the beauty of nature and the great outdoors. There aren't too many avenues to find like-minded people to share in that passion. There are many outlets on the web to find this, I just happen to settle on NPN. I've continued here because I think this is a community where folks can be honest and yet friendly at the same time; folks respect each other - even in disagreement.
I have a great appreciation for both the positive and negative (constructive criticism) feedback I receive on my work. I value the suggestions and have learned many things here, especially when it comes to processing and utilizing tools like PhotoShop. But more importantly, it's the people I've met, the friends I've made and for those I have yet to meet that keeps me here.
Although I don't consider myself an expert (jack of all trades, master of none,) I do enjoy helping out the beginner; those that have just picked up a camera, who love being out in nature and want to capture those moments. We're all on a constant learning curve and no matter what level of expertise you have, there is always something new to learn.
So, who are you and why are you here?
Lon
Posted by Mia McPherson on April 8, 2008 at 10:16 PM
Lon
What brings me to NPN is my passion for nature & photography.
For sharing my knowledge and for learning new skills. For sharing my passion of nature through my photography.
Who I am is a mystery to me, because daily I am evolving, becoming stronger and more knowledgeable.
My signature line says it for me "When we do the best that we can, we never know what miracle is wrought in our life, or in the life of another". --Helen Keller
Posted by Zack Schnepf on April 8, 2008 at 10:30 PM
To be quite honest, I come here to see some of the finest photography on the web, and share my own vision as well. There is a wonderful and talented group of photographers here, many of which I count as my friends. I also have learned so much over the past 4 years, the critique process has been an amazing resource for me, and has helped me develop as a photographer and artist.
I also come to get inspired, seeing others incredible work inspires me to get out and photograph. There are probably other reasons as well, but that's a good start.
Lon, I think you said it all to be honest with you. All NPN needs is a bar ........... and a tab from Jim. Been on many forums and somehow, I always end up back here. Not just because you folks put up with me (I wonder sometimes ), but because its sort of like home and the first nature forum I ever got onto really. The images blew me away and keeps me very humble with what we see. Paying is to keep it going and to belong to something like NPN is worth it. I like to think we all grow with what gets commented on and we all grow together. Its a community and its like being in a team. Team work always works well. Its a must IMO anyway.
All the best and again to be honest, you said all already Lon.
Danny.
Posted by Dan Borzynski on April 8, 2008 at 10:47 PM
Cheesecake. Nice, delicious, creamy cheescake.
(There is a connection here. Really!)
I have always loved the outdoors. I've bicycled for decades, and raced for one of them. I've mountain biked and raced, hiked, camped, run, trail run, driven forest backroads not designed with my poor little Corolla, all for the need to be outside.
Photography was originally a way to record what I was seeing. Now, it is what I do and who I am. All of the need to be outdoors, the time, experience and fitness means I can shoot without as many personal restrictions, and still enjoy what I am doing no matter how crappy the conditions. I am there because that is what I want to be doing, even if the camera never comes out of the bag.
And best of all, I have met a lot of good people through this site due to the trips to places, via e-mail and through this forum as well. Dinner and dessert with friends sure beats PB&J back at the campsite, or alone on the road at the Whopper Shop.
We all have something in common here, and that is our passion for nature, photography, the earth and the adventure the earth brings for us. I think most of us cannot find individuals around us in our everyday lives that think, envision or feel the way this select group of people do. And so I come here to share and converse with the type that I feel comfort with. To share my art and to view theirs. We can all learn from each other. What a community! Ron
P.S. Lon, this place is the meaning of life!
NPN (nature people nurturing)
Hey Lon, a good thread here on this subject. To answer hopefully the questions asked, I would first say I found my way here through others I've known on line for quite some time now. I always felt those specific people shared the same feelings I have towards wildlife, nature, and outdoor photography in general. Since I became a member I have met a lot more folks both here on line and in the field personally that are NPN members too that seem to share all those same feelings and ideas overall.
I find the biggest benefit for me as a member is reviewing work posted by others. It does provide inspiration & ideas on how to improve my own work each time I venture into the field. To be honest, the post process work does not drive me at all. I see it as the modern dark room and as such a necessary requirement to produce turn key products. With that said, I feel a post & review at NPN provides a perfect gauge in helping improve the finished product, so to speak.
Because all the other nature photography websites were riddled with horrible photographs.
Pete, where are these free snacks you speak of?
Posted by Richard Wong on April 9, 2008 at 1:08 AM
I came here to meet women. kidding!
But I do tend to pick locations that aren't popular for serious photography, so NPN is one of the few places that I can connect w/ others that share my interests. I come here to learn, get new ideas and just enjoy what this great planet has to offer. Plus the overall level of photography on this site has set the standard so high in this genre that it's changed the way people view photos. and its a good way to kill time when you're on the clock.
I came here through the recommendation of Richard Ditch whose work I found on the 'net. We exchanged eMail messages and he suggested I join NPN and I've never looked back.
The photography is excellent, but there's something even more important. And, that's the people of met. Here at NPN we have a community of like-minded people. The community is the closest I have to having family. Folks are friendly and honest. There's none of the sarcasm, flame throwing, and finger pointing that I've seen on many other sites. Over the past year I've gotten to know so many members and I've had a lot of fun kibitzing with so many of the folks as I've gotten to know them.
I've learned so much about photography, Photoshop, and so many small techniques that have improved the images that I've taken, done post-production work on, and posted.
I value the feedback I've received and I know my own photography has improved as a result.
Also I'd like to echo Paul's comment about the benefits derived from reviewing the work posted by others. So frequently I see an image and say, "WOW! I want to try that too!"
In addition I thoroughly enjoy learning and assisting others.
Long ago I learned that if I want to gain anything from the experiences I have it life, it's important to participate at a very high level.
I can't think of a better place to hang out
As Cindy said, Cheers to all
We have the best shooting match on the network
Carol
Now if we only had an on-line Starbucks, I'd really be a happy camper
The more things change the more they remain the same.
I think back to the olden days of film and recall that when I'd visit any photographer friend the first thing we'd do would be to bust out the slide projector. ( I know, I know.. some of you STILL do that...) First we'd view each other's photos, and then critique or ask questions.... "How'd you DO that?" Photographer's love to show their photos off to other photographers. It's the only way to get any real feedback on the technical subtleties from those with knowledge. In the digital age I think that places like NPN take the place of the slideshow to a great extent, and you don't even have to get out of your chair.
In the words of the great Bob Hope.... "thanks for the memories..."
I've still got that slide projector - and somewhere a dissolve unit that I used to sync music with a slide show of Yosemite. I still play that music in my car when I'm on a photo trip...
We even used to exchange prints thru the US Postal Service.... imagine that?
But I think you summed it up well... photographers showing off their stuff with other photographers.... and you're right, not much has changed; just the year and technology.
Sounds like a great topic for another thread... :-)
For the slides shows and for the many times I visit Yosemite, I find myself listening to what I guess is called "New Age." It's a modern classical style of music - think of George Winston, Yanni, etc. Piano, strings and mostly no vocals. Very relaxing and really helps set my mood for places like Yosemite.
Cruising music on my way to Yosemite at 75mph... Classic 70's and 80's rock.. (I'm 48.) Several other photo venues require different music... I listen to jazz and country (that's both kinds, country and western... sorry, old Blues Brothers joke)
In the end, music doesn't define my photography experience, but as music most often does, it brings back the memories when listening...
From my perspective, these comments provide the inspiration that makes the daily task of administering NPN worthwhile! Thanks to all of you for making this site your nature photography home on the web and for sustaining the "remarkable decorum" that makes it worthwhile and enjoyable.
I am extremely passionate about the great outdoors, nature and photography!
I joined the NPN to meet like-minded souls, because nature photography can be a lonely pursuit! I live on a small Island with a diverse habitat and I’m often out with my camera, alone! I don’t sell my images; therefore they can sit on my hard-drives with no-one to share them with! Here at the NPN, I can share my images with like-minded people and get feedback on what is and isn’t good about my image(s) and how I can improve it!
Also if I need help, have a question, or just have something to say in relation the Nature Photography I can post in this site and plenty of people are prepared to offer their opinions, advice and so forth. This is great for the lone photographer!
In my very short time here I have evolved as a photographer and as a person. My confidence has grown as my abilities improve. The high standard that other photographers produce has made me more determined to raise my own standards and strive to improve – and its working!
I think this community is about giving as much as taking therefore I strongly believe in putting in as much as you get out of it or more. If I can offer advice, help or simply point someone in the right direction then I’ll do so. I get as much pleasure, if not more, from giving as receiving.
I pay to be a member as I feel it is important to ensure that the NPN is still here in years to come!
The NPN is a fantastic community that I have grown to respect, admire and enjoy very much!
So I’ll take this opportunity to say thank-you all for your advice, help, comments and constructive criticisms in my short time here and long may it continue!
Lon, my answer is really a two part one. What brought me here and what keeps me here and they have different answers for the most part. What brought me here was a search for a group of like minded people, interested in nature photography and nature in general. I was also interested in improving my photography skills and to learn all I could.
What keeps me here are the people. The group here is terrific and I feel as If I know many of the folks here even though I've met very few in person. Another thing that keeps me here is how nice everyone is here. Everyone seeks to help others. Critiques in particular are a very helpful part of the learning process and it is done well here. Finally I stay here because I think this is one of the best values for my money when it comes to nature photography. Thanks Jim and Donna!
Posted by David Becker on April 9, 2008 at 9:31 AM
Simply put, if you aspire to be better surround yourself with the best!
I came to show my work and wound up learning from it. I'll be here a while because of the learning experience.
Posted by Bruce Palla on April 9, 2008 at 10:52 AM
I came 'cause I heard there were going to be donuts. Seriously, I've been spending most of my free time outdoors since I was a kid. Be it playing sports, biking, fishing or hunting, most of my life has revolved around nature. I started carrying a camera around with me when I got tired of saying "You should have seen such and such" and was met with replies of "No way." I came here after a quick googling of nature photography. I lurked for a long time, taking notes and feeling inadequate as my images didn't seem worthy. I paid without hesitation as I saw the work involved with this site was quite intense. I can not think of any membership money better spent. I will stick around as long as there are people like you who are honest in opinion, caring in critique, and friendly in demeanor. I am constantly amazed at the inter-action on these pages. Wishing everyone perfect light and timing,
Bruce
'Burbs of Chicago
Like you, I originally joined to post my photos for personal validation. I'm way past that. Now it's about learning, friendship with like-minded people and helping others with their creative and technical issues if at all possible. Learning to critique has been a real challenge.
I had perused other forums and photo sharing sites but none of them felt like a good fit. Somehow I made my way to NPN and knew immediately that this is where I belonged. I gladly pay the $50 - it's a bargain at twice the price. It is not an exaggeration to state that I am a completely different, much better photographer since I joined late last year.
I would like to add that NPN is far and away the most civil and friendly forum I have ever been associated with. Can't say enough good things about the group.
Interesting there is actually another former USCF roadie on the forum. Hi, Dan.
I stumbled across NPN when I surfed to Juza's excellent site and found a link to NPN there. An exceptionally happy accident.
I'm lucky enough to live in Alaska; I'm equally lucky to be married to an ornithologist and birder (they aren't the same thing) who has taught me her passion for birds. So I have endless opportunities for photos. I've only been shooting digital with a serious camera for three years, but I shot with film for decades before that. I've read extensively, taken courses (including a superb Ansel Adams seminar) and lugged film cameras into improbable places. But I learned more in the first two months at NPN than in the preceding 20 years of effort. If you accept criticism and learn from it, and truly study the photos - good and bad - that others post, I don't know if there is any upper limit to what you can learn here. Certainly I am no where near such a limit.
Add the camaraderie, the kindness and the civility, and you have a virtual classroom and virtual community that is unsurpassed. Credit Jim and Donna's vision and hard work, and the social compact they have fostered.
Well I think every one of the above comments can sum of just a few of my reasons. I was originally attracted to NPN simply because of all the incredible photography. The images here have always just awestruck me. As a lurker for a little while, I came to the realization that I always knew in the back of my head: participation was more key to my learning rather than just sitting back awestruck at all the images. So I finally ended up starting to post comments and images, and was amazed in doing so how my photography has improved.
So I guess I'm here for a variety of reasons - to learn, to try and give back, to escape into nature from my computer when I can't do so physically, and to maybe even meet a few people
Ditto all the above reasons from everyone...NPN has been instrumental to me for getting out and striving to be the best I can be...to experiment...to fulfill my creative side...to journey into new photographic territory...to learn from others who give unselfishly of their time and knowledge to me...to meet photogs with similar/different perspectives... to not be afraid to post and get laughed at!!! (at least I think I'm not laughed at !!!)...to share.I know in some small, teeny way, I have contributed to NPN BUT I have received so much more in return. NPN is an UNSELFISH network with people who truly care about others and their visions. I continue to praise NPN wherever I go and meet new photogs as I truly belive that I am a better person (and photog) because of NPN.
I have only been a member of NPN for a few months. The original reason I joined was to have a place to share my images with others and hopefully learn a little from others.
However, the reasons I am now completely hooked on this site is the unbelievable talent I see on this site and the amazing people producing it. I have been an avid photographer for about 20 years, by no means an expert, and I never really focused on nature photography as I do now. I have learned more in the few months that I have been a member than I could learn on my one in another 20 years.
I am not sure enough people take the time to think about just how amazing this site is. I have probably viewed a few thousand comments even in the short time I have been a member, and of all those comments I have never seen a cross word spoken toward anyone. It is obvious that the majority of the participants in these forums are extremely passionate about their work, that is evident in the quality. To have this many people this passionate about a subject and still maintain the professional and courteous manner that critique is both given and received is just amazing.
I simply loving viewing nature photographs as well as sharing my experiences with other like minded people. NPN is comprised of many individuals who's work I enjoy and respect. For these reasons, it's the photo forum that I choose to be involved with as a member.
By the way, the answer to "The Great Question of Life, The Universe, and Everything" is forty-two.
Marc, you make the fourth former USCF roadie here I know about. One member is still active and I haven't seen the fourth in a while. There were a few NORBA guys as well early on, but I've lost track of who they were.
I think it has something to do with being outdoors. You see so much during training, heading to races, and the stray day having been dropped - if you have any artistic ambitions, buying a camera make is a small leap to record what you see in the middle of nowhere. And it makes a nice way of being out when those days of 37 degrees with horizontal rain no longer appeals.
Hi Lon,
Funny....how I got here! I'm a wood carver...carve fish and ducks. I found this site years ago and was thrilled to see so many GREAT reference photos for my decoys. Checked in nearly every day and "swiped" as many photos as I could. (I didn't realize it was wrong then, but rest assured, I never re-sold them, just studied them!
Last year, in January, I was bored out of my mind being stuck in the house, so I took my dog and drove an hour to a nature center in hopes of seeing a few ducks. Well, the warden there told me about a very rare bird they had spotted not too far from there and gave me directions. Parked on a back road, I was fortunate to see the Lazuli Bunting everyone was so excited to see here in eastern PA. I had a sony camera and got pictures of it. That week all I could think about was getting a better camera with a looooonger lens, so I did. I went back to the same spot and waited and found him again! I was HOOKED. Now, I hardly carve and am spending most of my free time out photographing. Funny, ..........
I must be really hooked....now I want another "better" camera and a "longer" lens. Will it ever end?
Thanks to everyone on this site for their help and encouragement, and a special thank you to Jim Erhardt for making the site possible.
Sharon
Posted by Kent Johnson on April 9, 2008 at 10:05 PM
Beer? Where's the beer?
What brings me to NPN is my love of nature & photography. I found the site by accident. The great photos kept me coming back. When I realized I was spending an hour or two a day looking at NPN, 5or 6 days a week I figured I should join. Sort of like sending your dues to National Public Radio.
I bought a digital camera and take more photos now but I'm still pulling out the instruction book to find how to do things. PS elements is another thing I need to get past looking up in Help for everything. I'll start posting someday but for now I'm just studing the photos.
Kent
Just keep in mind Lon that it is illegal in the State of California to play Kenny G in any of our National Parks. Seems it sends the animals into some kind of frenzy. Yosemite has now installed Kenny G "Bear boxes", where you can dump your CD's before entering the park.
Posted by Kah Kit Yoong on April 10, 2008 at 1:50 PM
I joined NPN a year & a half ago because of the incredible photography on display. I also saw that people were very generous in their willingness to help each other become better photographers. Look at the number of people who use Marc's sharpening & TK's masks. I hoped that some of that would rub off on me. My belief is that if you surround yourself with the best in the field, your standard goes up. After joining I found this to be an extraordinary community, not just from the quality of the work but the genuine nature of the sharing and help to each other.
Let me explain why I am here by explaining where I was before. I was participating in german forums, mainly because I had lots of questions regarding gear and lenses back then. It was as I still had my compact-cam and I was dreaming about a DSLR. I was also interested in seeing other photographers work, but most forums were very gear-oriented and I never saw a good shot from the people that talked all the time about sharpness of a lens. The tone was also very rude. No kidding, new-comers that asked a question were told to leave because of their experience level (or rather lack thereof)
I knew NPN before, I think I found it by googling for something photography-related and I discovered an article here. I was not aware of the photo-forums here.
Anyway, the other day I discovered the photo-forums because the images of the year were on display. So I browsed and noticed the warm atmosphere, the great work and the option to post. So I started posting and I just liked how it felt. I like being among a group of like-minded nice people. I like the learning experience and of course the good feeling of receiving some positive comments. It encourages me also to go out and shot again. And every once in a while when I have a shot that I am proud of I am eager to post and see how people react to it. I also like giving comments and analyzing the work of others - a great source of inspiration.
Dietrich
Edit:
@Stan: great analogy with the guitar-lessons! And yes, I also learned so much about photography, but equally much on post-processing and how to get the most out of a raw-file.
I came here based on a recommendation by Jesse Speers, when i moved to Colorado i asked him for suggestions of where to get involved in photography. It's become by far the main site i visit and participate in. There's no reason to leave. The two most amazing things to me about this site are, as pointed out: everyone is cordial, rare in internet discussion groups, and most amazingly, where else can you mingle and learn from some of literally the best photographers on the planet? It's like getting guitar lessons from Segovia or Van Halen, basically for free. Pretty crazy. Ive come so far with my skills over the past year that im literally embarrased by the quality of my photos from more than a year ago. I attribute most of that improvement due to my participation here.
Dietrich, same for me. I was on DPReview and its very similar. I found it far too camera and lens biased in the forums there. The old story, Canon is better than Nikon, Nikon is better than Olympus, Olympus is better than Minolta, etc and yet, while there are great photographers there, you really have to hunt them out. So all the greatest gear under the sun and what, wheres all the great work.
Lousy shots can be just as easily made on Leica as they can be on a disposable camera. Enter NPN. The only time camera and gear debates come up, is always in a pleasant and well thought out way. The work and images speak for themselves.
Hey Stan, I'll go with Jeff Healey. RIP Jeff.
Danny.
Posted by Kah Kit Yoong on April 10, 2008 at 7:36 PM
I joined NPN a year & a half ago because of the incredible photography on display. I also saw that people were very generous in their willingness to help each other become better photographers. Look at the number of people who use Marc's sharpening & TK's masks. I hoped that some of that would rub off on me. My belief is that if you surround yourself with the best in the field, your standard goes up. After joining I found this to be an extraordinary community, not just from the quality of the work but the genuine nature of the sharing and help to each other.
Lon, you said it really well.
I am here to learn.See how others will react to my photos. See all these beautiful images here.Hopefully share what I feel about their photos, even I still feel shy about that,being just a newcomer.
The critique has been amazingly helpful. People are very professional and very, very kind!!
Only, I am having a hard time getting used to the OOFs,DOFs and ULs.
Elisabeth
In Aug '07 I was really on the fence as to whether I wanted to spend the money to start to take photography from something that I knew nothing about, yet had an interest in, into something that I could work on.
After stumbling upon NPN after a random Google search, I was amazed with the amazing photos on the site, as well as the helpful advise being handed out at will by some incredible photographers.
Now, after a little less than 2 years, I am steadily progressing with my work, and I don't think that I would have even a fraction of my knowledge without NPN. It continues to be a place where I can go when I'm stuck or in need of advise (or to kill an hour or two at work).
Thanks to everyone that continually helps me on my way.
Posted by Lara Ellis on April 13, 2008 at 10:30 AM
I'm newbie I just joined last Friday. I'm here because I want to learn how to become better nature photographer. There is some absolutely amazing photography in here and I hope to shoot at that level eventually. I'm hoping with the feedback from the other photographers and any tips others are able to offer I'll become a much better photographer. I also joined because I liked the option of the 120 image portfolio. I've had my own website for a couple of years now but haven't sold anyting yet. I thought this might be a better place to get my work out there to the right people and get some better exposure ha ha ha pun intneded. So here goes on this new journy.
Lara Ellis
Posted by Jim Goldstein on April 14, 2008 at 7:40 PM
For me...
1. The people - no where have I found a set of photographers that are as open and helpful
2. Quality and Skill - the bonus to the first reason is that so many here post quality work and have a great level of knowledge to share.
3. Feedback - when I do post it is the honest feedback that I look for.
These days I do not post work as frequently as I used to. Landscape and wildlife photography is a core passion, but I do photograph other subjects. Since this site is rather niche oriented I don't post much of my recent work. As photo opportunities arise for landscape and wildlife work I will post here from time to time. Why not post more frequently? The brutal truth is that I find some of the critiques predictable, sometimes irrelevant, aligned to a common formula of photographic expectation and like many forums great images that aren't full of saturated color or have important subtleties even for commonly photographed subjects are often lost in the crowd. As far as the people go there are more than a few that are often the exception to my blunt critique of critiques and it is these individuals whose input I value most. Of all the forums this is by far the best and my observations are likely due to being a little sensitive about forums as of late. It's also due to a shift in personal photographic goals. When I get out of my funk on forums and finish up some photo projects I'm focusing on I'll pick up again. All things ebb and flow...
Discussion
44 repliesI've been wanting to pose this question for a while and the recent thread about comment ratios has motivated me to post this.
What brings you NPN? Why are you here and more importantly, why do you stay and pay for membership?
I'll start by giving you my reasons. I'll be perfectly honest, I came here to share my work with others. I came to get feedback and validation of my work. I've had a long passion for photographing the beauty of nature and the great outdoors. There aren't too many avenues to find like-minded people to share in that passion. There are many outlets on the web to find this, I just happen to settle on NPN. I've continued here because I think this is a community where folks can be honest and yet friendly at the same time; folks respect each other - even in disagreement.
I have a great appreciation for both the positive and negative (constructive criticism) feedback I receive on my work. I value the suggestions and have learned many things here, especially when it comes to processing and utilizing tools like PhotoShop. But more importantly, it's the people I've met, the friends I've made and for those I have yet to meet that keeps me here.
Although I don't consider myself an expert (jack of all trades, master of none,) I do enjoy helping out the beginner; those that have just picked up a camera, who love being out in nature and want to capture those moments. We're all on a constant learning curve and no matter what level of expertise you have, there is always something new to learn.
So, who are you and why are you here?
Lon
What brings me to NPN is my passion for nature & photography.
For sharing my knowledge and for learning new skills. For sharing my passion of nature through my photography.
Who I am is a mystery to me, because daily I am evolving, becoming stronger and more knowledgeable.
My signature line says it for me "When we do the best that we can, we never know what miracle is wrought in our life, or in the life of another". --Helen Keller
I also come to get inspired, seeing others incredible work inspires me to get out and photograph. There are probably other reasons as well, but that's a good start.
All the best and again to be honest, you said all already Lon.
Danny.
(There is a connection here. Really!)
I have always loved the outdoors. I've bicycled for decades, and raced for one of them. I've mountain biked and raced, hiked, camped, run, trail run, driven forest backroads not designed with my poor little Corolla, all for the need to be outside.
Photography was originally a way to record what I was seeing. Now, it is what I do and who I am. All of the need to be outdoors, the time, experience and fitness means I can shoot without as many personal restrictions, and still enjoy what I am doing no matter how crappy the conditions. I am there because that is what I want to be doing, even if the camera never comes out of the bag.
And best of all, I have met a lot of good people through this site due to the trips to places, via e-mail and through this forum as well. Dinner and dessert with friends sure beats PB&J back at the campsite, or alone on the road at the Whopper Shop.
P.S. Lon, this place is the meaning of life!
NPN (nature people nurturing)
Pete D.
I find the biggest benefit for me as a member is reviewing work posted by others. It does provide inspiration & ideas on how to improve my own work each time I venture into the field. To be honest, the post process work does not drive me at all. I see it as the modern dark room and as such a necessary requirement to produce turn key products. With that said, I feel a post & review at NPN provides a perfect gauge in helping improve the finished product, so to speak.
Pete, where are these free snacks you speak of?
But I do tend to pick locations that aren't popular for serious photography, so NPN is one of the few places that I can connect w/ others that share my interests. I come here to learn, get new ideas and just enjoy what this great planet has to offer. Plus the overall level of photography on this site has set the standard so high in this genre that it's changed the way people view photos. and its a good way to kill time when you're on the clock.
Hey Pete, where does Jim and Donna keep those free snacks mate ??
Ok, you can all carry on now.
I came here through the recommendation of Richard Ditch whose work I found on the 'net. We exchanged eMail messages and he suggested I join NPN and I've never looked back.
The photography is excellent, but there's something even more important. And, that's the people of met. Here at NPN we have a community of like-minded people. The community is the closest I have to having family. Folks are friendly and honest. There's none of the sarcasm, flame throwing, and finger pointing that I've seen on many other sites. Over the past year I've gotten to know so many members and I've had a lot of fun kibitzing with so many of the folks as I've gotten to know them.
I've learned so much about photography, Photoshop, and so many small techniques that have improved the images that I've taken, done post-production work on, and posted.
I value the feedback I've received and I know my own photography has improved as a result.
Also I'd like to echo Paul's comment about the benefits derived from reviewing the work posted by others. So frequently I see an image and say, "WOW! I want to try that too!"
In addition I thoroughly enjoy learning and assisting others.
Long ago I learned that if I want to gain anything from the experiences I have it life, it's important to participate at a very high level.
I can't think of a better place to hang out
As Cindy said, Cheers to all
We have the best shooting match on the network
Carol
Now if we only had an on-line Starbucks, I'd really be a happy camper
The more things change the more they remain the same.
I think back to the olden days of film and recall that when I'd visit any photographer friend the first thing we'd do would be to bust out the slide projector. ( I know, I know.. some of you STILL do that...) First we'd view each other's photos, and then critique or ask questions.... "How'd you DO that?" Photographer's love to show their photos off to other photographers. It's the only way to get any real feedback on the technical subtleties from those with knowledge. In the digital age I think that places like NPN take the place of the slideshow to a great extent, and you don't even have to get out of your chair.
In the words of the great Bob Hope.... "thanks for the memories..."
I've still got that slide projector - and somewhere a dissolve unit that I used to sync music with a slide show of Yosemite. I still play that music in my car when I'm on a photo trip...
We even used to exchange prints thru the US Postal Service.... imagine that?
But I think you summed it up well... photographers showing off their stuff with other photographers.... and you're right, not much has changed; just the year and technology.
Thanks for yours and everyone's thoughts.
Lon
Sounds like a great topic for another thread... :-)
For the slides shows and for the many times I visit Yosemite, I find myself listening to what I guess is called "New Age." It's a modern classical style of music - think of George Winston, Yanni, etc. Piano, strings and mostly no vocals. Very relaxing and really helps set my mood for places like Yosemite.
Cruising music on my way to Yosemite at 75mph... Classic 70's and 80's rock.. (I'm 48.) Several other photo venues require different music... I listen to jazz and country (that's both kinds, country and western... sorry, old Blues Brothers joke)
In the end, music doesn't define my photography experience, but as music most often does, it brings back the memories when listening...
so I digress in my own thread... shame, shame...
Lon
Hey Pete D, I think you just coined a new phrase.
I joined the NPN to meet like-minded souls, because nature photography can be a lonely pursuit! I live on a small Island with a diverse habitat and I’m often out with my camera, alone! I don’t sell my images; therefore they can sit on my hard-drives with no-one to share them with! Here at the NPN, I can share my images with like-minded people and get feedback on what is and isn’t good about my image(s) and how I can improve it!
Also if I need help, have a question, or just have something to say in relation the Nature Photography I can post in this site and plenty of people are prepared to offer their opinions, advice and so forth. This is great for the lone photographer!
In my very short time here I have evolved as a photographer and as a person. My confidence has grown as my abilities improve. The high standard that other photographers produce has made me more determined to raise my own standards and strive to improve – and its working!
I think this community is about giving as much as taking therefore I strongly believe in putting in as much as you get out of it or more. If I can offer advice, help or simply point someone in the right direction then I’ll do so. I get as much pleasure, if not more, from giving as receiving.
I pay to be a member as I feel it is important to ensure that the NPN is still here in years to come!
The NPN is a fantastic community that I have grown to respect, admire and enjoy very much!
So I’ll take this opportunity to say thank-you all for your advice, help, comments and constructive criticisms in my short time here and long may it continue!
Happy shooting, and all the best!
What keeps me here are the people. The group here is terrific and I feel as If I know many of the folks here even though I've met very few in person. Another thing that keeps me here is how nice everyone is here. Everyone seeks to help others. Critiques in particular are a very helpful part of the learning process and it is done well here. Finally I stay here because I think this is one of the best values for my money when it comes to nature photography. Thanks Jim and Donna!
Bruce
'Burbs of Chicago
You summed up my reasons as well. But hey... your bait question is interesting too....
Like you, I originally joined to post my photos for personal validation. I'm way past that. Now it's about learning, friendship with like-minded people and helping others with their creative and technical issues if at all possible. Learning to critique has been a real challenge.
I had perused other forums and photo sharing sites but none of them felt like a good fit. Somehow I made my way to NPN and knew immediately that this is where I belonged. I gladly pay the $50 - it's a bargain at twice the price. It is not an exaggeration to state that I am a completely different, much better photographer since I joined late last year.
I would like to add that NPN is far and away the most civil and friendly forum I have ever been associated with. Can't say enough good things about the group.
Interesting there is actually another former USCF roadie on the forum. Hi, Dan.
When do we get the beer and chicken wings?
I'm lucky enough to live in Alaska; I'm equally lucky to be married to an ornithologist and birder (they aren't the same thing) who has taught me her passion for birds. So I have endless opportunities for photos. I've only been shooting digital with a serious camera for three years, but I shot with film for decades before that. I've read extensively, taken courses (including a superb Ansel Adams seminar) and lugged film cameras into improbable places. But I learned more in the first two months at NPN than in the preceding 20 years of effort. If you accept criticism and learn from it, and truly study the photos - good and bad - that others post, I don't know if there is any upper limit to what you can learn here. Certainly I am no where near such a limit.
Add the camaraderie, the kindness and the civility, and you have a virtual classroom and virtual community that is unsurpassed. Credit Jim and Donna's vision and hard work, and the social compact they have fostered.
So I guess I'm here for a variety of reasons - to learn, to try and give back, to escape into nature from my computer when I can't do so physically, and to maybe even meet a few people
OK...enough slobbering...wher's the wine?
Thanks, NPN...
However, the reasons I am now completely hooked on this site is the unbelievable talent I see on this site and the amazing people producing it. I have been an avid photographer for about 20 years, by no means an expert, and I never really focused on nature photography as I do now. I have learned more in the few months that I have been a member than I could learn on my one in another 20 years.
I am not sure enough people take the time to think about just how amazing this site is. I have probably viewed a few thousand comments even in the short time I have been a member, and of all those comments I have never seen a cross word spoken toward anyone. It is obvious that the majority of the participants in these forums are extremely passionate about their work, that is evident in the quality. To have this many people this passionate about a subject and still maintain the professional and courteous manner that critique is both given and received is just amazing.
By the way, the answer to "The Great Question of Life, The Universe, and Everything" is forty-two.
I think it has something to do with being outdoors. You see so much during training, heading to races, and the stray day having been dropped - if you have any artistic ambitions, buying a camera make is a small leap to record what you see in the middle of nowhere. And it makes a nice way of being out when those days of 37 degrees with horizontal rain no longer appeals.
Have fun!
Funny....how I got here! I'm a wood carver...carve fish and ducks. I found this site years ago and was thrilled to see so many GREAT reference photos for my decoys. Checked in nearly every day and "swiped" as many photos as I could. (I didn't realize it was wrong then, but rest assured, I never re-sold them, just studied them!
Last year, in January, I was bored out of my mind being stuck in the house, so I took my dog and drove an hour to a nature center in hopes of seeing a few ducks. Well, the warden there told me about a very rare bird they had spotted not too far from there and gave me directions. Parked on a back road, I was fortunate to see the Lazuli Bunting everyone was so excited to see here in eastern PA. I had a sony camera and got pictures of it. That week all I could think about was getting a better camera with a looooonger lens, so I did. I went back to the same spot and waited and found him again! I was HOOKED. Now, I hardly carve and am spending most of my free time out photographing. Funny, ..........
I must be really hooked....now I want another "better" camera and a "longer" lens. Will it ever end?
Thanks to everyone on this site for their help and encouragement, and a special thank you to Jim Erhardt for making the site possible.
Sharon
What brings me to NPN is my love of nature & photography. I found the site by accident. The great photos kept me coming back. When I realized I was spending an hour or two a day looking at NPN, 5or 6 days a week I figured I should join. Sort of like sending your dues to National Public Radio.
I bought a digital camera and take more photos now but I'm still pulling out the instruction book to find how to do things. PS elements is another thing I need to get past looking up in Help for everything. I'll start posting someday but for now I'm just studing the photos.
Kent
I knew NPN before, I think I found it by googling for something photography-related and I discovered an article here. I was not aware of the photo-forums here.
Anyway, the other day I discovered the photo-forums because the images of the year were on display. So I browsed and noticed the warm atmosphere, the great work and the option to post. So I started posting and I just liked how it felt. I like being among a group of like-minded nice people. I like the learning experience and of course the good feeling of receiving some positive comments. It encourages me also to go out and shot again. And every once in a while when I have a shot that I am proud of I am eager to post and see how people react to it. I also like giving comments and analyzing the work of others - a great source of inspiration.
Dietrich
Edit:
@Stan: great analogy with the guitar-lessons! And yes, I also learned so much about photography, but equally much on post-processing and how to get the most out of a raw-file.
Lousy shots can be just as easily made on Leica as they can be on a disposable camera. Enter NPN. The only time camera and gear debates come up, is always in a pleasant and well thought out way. The work and images speak for themselves.
Hey Stan, I'll go with Jeff Healey. RIP Jeff.
Danny.
I am here to learn.See how others will react to my photos. See all these beautiful images here.Hopefully share what I feel about their photos, even I still feel shy about that,being just a newcomer.
The critique has been amazingly helpful. People are very professional and very, very kind!!
Only, I am having a hard time getting used to the OOFs,DOFs and ULs.
Elisabeth
After stumbling upon NPN after a random Google search, I was amazed with the amazing photos on the site, as well as the helpful advise being handed out at will by some incredible photographers.
Now, after a little less than 2 years, I am steadily progressing with my work, and I don't think that I would have even a fraction of my knowledge without NPN. It continues to be a place where I can go when I'm stuck or in need of advise (or to kill an hour or two at work).
Thanks to everyone that continually helps me on my way.
Lara Ellis
1. The people - no where have I found a set of photographers that are as open and helpful
2. Quality and Skill - the bonus to the first reason is that so many here post quality work and have a great level of knowledge to share.
3. Feedback - when I do post it is the honest feedback that I look for.
These days I do not post work as frequently as I used to. Landscape and wildlife photography is a core passion, but I do photograph other subjects. Since this site is rather niche oriented I don't post much of my recent work. As photo opportunities arise for landscape and wildlife work I will post here from time to time. Why not post more frequently? The brutal truth is that I find some of the critiques predictable, sometimes irrelevant, aligned to a common formula of photographic expectation and like many forums great images that aren't full of saturated color or have important subtleties even for commonly photographed subjects are often lost in the crowd. As far as the people go there are more than a few that are often the exception to my blunt critique of critiques and it is these individuals whose input I value most. Of all the forums this is by far the best and my observations are likely due to being a little sensitive about forums as of late. It's also due to a shift in personal photographic goals. When I get out of my funk on forums and finish up some photo projects I'm focusing on I'll pick up again. All things ebb and flow...