Oh boy - I was kind of hoping this wouldn't show up here. It's such completely idle speculation without any legitimate info - reminiscent of the 5D MkII rumors months ago. The specs they list are the D3 specs except for the fps rating. Why would Nikon make this camera with these specs at that price?
What idle speculation? True there may not be a camera called the D700 or the D90 or the Canon 6D in the wings but look around.
Canon is offering rebates. In Canada the D300 retails for almost $1,000.00 lower than Nikon Canada's suggested list. The D40x kits we bought for the Arctic Winter Games five months ago are now worth half the price we paid. The D3x is worth $1,000 less than it was four months ago.
It isn't a new marketing rule; sales and rebates are to clear old stock for new product.
A lot of reliable sources, Reichman, Miranda, Specht, etc. are all calling for an increase in capability and decrease in price. What such cameras are actually called is moot, they are coming.
What idle speculation? True there may not be a camera called the D700 or the D90 or the Canon 6D in the wings but look around.
Canon is offering rebates. In Canada the D300 retails for almost $1,000.00 lower than Nikon Canada's suggested list. The D40x kits we bought for the Arctic Winter Games five months ago are now worth half the price we paid. The D3x is worth $1,000 less than it was four months ago.
It isn't a new marketing rule; sales and rebates are to clear old stock for new product.
A lot of reliable sources, Reichman, Miranda, Specht, etc. are all calling for an increase in capability and decrease in price. What such cameras are actually called is moot, they are coming.
A lot of reliable sources, Reichman, Miranda, Specht, etc. are all calling for an increase in capability and decrease in price. What such cameras are actually called is moot, they are coming.
I'm not commenting on the name or the fact that new cameras - and terrific ones to boot - are coming. I have no doubt that there are new cameras coming. Photokina is coming this fall, and there will be tons of new cameras, and tons of press releases. And if the bigger names are calling for better cameras, well, they always are; Although I haven't seen any of the bigger names or more reliable sites talking about this rumor.
But this seems to be a case of "my brother's friend's roommate's cousin's uncle got these pics of the new Nikon. It's totally LEGIT!!! SERIAL!!!" kind of thing.
I'd just prefer that people wait and see a little more. Otherwise you wind up with tons of these types of posts with no real information.
My research indicates the D3X may be released in July; 16.5 megapixels, full frame for $6,400 US. I can provide you with a variety of links for Nikon should you wish but that isn't the point of the post.
A number of people in these forums have expressed an interest in purchasing either rebated or on sale cameras. In researching a new body for myself, I'm lead to believe that that better technology at lower prices may be weeks, let alone months away. It isn't a "case of my brother's friend's roommate's cousin's uncle got these pics of the new Nikon." There is some informed opinion out there.
People are free to do their own research, form their own opinion. However it would be selfish not to alert fellow members who are considering a new body that perhaps they may wish to do some thorough research prior to spending a lot on a body which might be old technology at reduced prices very shortly.
Posted by David Bostedo on June 19, 2008 at 10:15 PM
Hey David - Hope I didn't sound too argumentative before...I don't mean to be. I just haven't seen anything on the "D700" that doesn't seem like it could easily be a hoax someone dummied up. By all means, post leaks from places like Adorama and Amazon (who has occasionally had a camera up for sale before it was announced). Those are definitely more reputable.
However, there were also some 5D Mk II leaks of a similar type to these D3X leaks a long time ago, and the camera (in whatever form the 5D replacement will take) has yet to be announced, much less released. In fact, I posted that one on here....and later decided I shouldn't have.
These seem to be a constant, and as long as they're kept fun and questionable I suppose it's OK. (And it IS fun to speculate and dream sometimes...) But I don't think it's good to put any weight behind this stuff...
Posted by Basil Greber on June 20, 2008 at 4:55 AM
Supposedly, this thing is to be announced with another camera and 3 more Nikon products (supposedly lenses, but there may also be a flash) soon (as soon as July 1st). But yes, it's speculation.
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Some more comments from my point of view for those who are interested. I'm following dpreview quite a bit, and I see all the fakes and hoaxes come and go - and I've seen it for a couple of cameras now. Having no inside information at all (I bet those who have are having a good laugh at the moment), it's always difficult to judge what is right and what is simply BS for the sake of fooling a few gear geeks.
The "level" of information now is approximately what we had before the D3 and D300 release. So, in my opinion, these leaflet snapshots (allegedly by a Chinese student working in a Japanese printing facility... ) may very well show the real thing. If this is a fake, a lof of effort has gone into it. The specs are unsurprising for the most part (it's a D300 body with the D3 sensor, basically), and where surprises could be expected (and where the beef is, actually), the specs are lacking (e.g. frame rate - I haven't seen definite specs on that so far).
Even though the lack of info on frame rate and the slightly bumpy speech used in the leaflet hint towards fake, I think this thing is legit. It's as good as what was publicly available before the D3/D300 release, and together with people firmly stating that something's to come on July 1st, it may all make sense.
The D400 was supposed to be released June 7th; came and went with no camera so there is always an element of speculation. It is when allied vendors such as Delkin and Sandisk start making announcements it starts turning from rumour to "when"?
I've heard 13 fps for the D3X but until Nikon officially publishes it any specific technical detail would be nothing but speculation.
What I find interesting is the fps rate. When it gets up to 24 that will allow movie makers to ditch film stock required for sound synch. But that is moving from speculation to outright theory.
Posted by Basil Greber on June 20, 2008 at 2:19 PM
I've heard 13 fps for the D3X but until Nikon officially publishes it any specific technical detail would be nothing but speculation.
That would be more than 300 megapixels/second. Today's "sports/action" type cameras (1D MkIII, D3) manage merely 100. so that would mean tripling the data processing capabilities. Not impossible, but very surprising. Also, this would completely kill the D3 (lower FPS, lower resolution).
Dave - As far as the fps goes, there are already cameras that do 30 fps at 12 megapixels in raw. They are gaining a lot of popularity in the film industry. Check out this site : Red.
Plus there's the new Casio superzoom P&S that does the following fps rates :
1920 x 1080, 60 fps
512 x 384 300 fps
432 x 192 600 fps
336 x 96 1200 fps
640 x 480 30 fps (video)
1280 x 720 30 fps (video)
My research indicates the D3X may be released in July; 16.5 megapixels, full frame for $6,400 US
You mean, your research of the rumors you've read don't you? Is any of this information directly from Nikon? Can you today, right now, link to an official Nikon site that states this information?
"You mean, your research of the rumors you've read don't you?"
Mark,
It was prefaced with may. Exact release dates and technical specifications would be sheer speculation. That being said Specht is saying hang on to your wallet presently in regards to Nikon equipment and he hasn't been too far off the mark in the years I've been on his list. Reichman on Luminous Landscape is calling for increased technical capability at lower prices by the fall.
As indicated in an earlier post, allied manufacturers are saying their product is D3X compliant.
What I can tell you today is every indication, wholesale and retail price cuts and rebates coupled informed opinion indicate more powerful cameras at cheaper prices by or at Photokina.
We bought four D40X's only to find when we took delivery a month later the D60 was out for the same price. Do you really believe Nikon or any manufacturer is going to slit their sales throat by giving long notices of new product?
If you want to see the direction digital is taking follow the Red link that David kindly provided. It will be a while before such technology filters down to still, but there are people on this list who can remember saying of their new 386, "Wow, look at that thing fly!"
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14 repliesAll those people who have been posting about camera rebates may wish to keep their wallets in the pockets until the fall.
The above URL describes what is reputed to be the Nikon 700. With the capabilities of the D3, it has a suggested list price of $3,000 US.
If only gasoline was digital!
What idle speculation? True there may not be a camera called the D700 or the D90 or the Canon 6D in the wings but look around.
Canon is offering rebates. In Canada the D300 retails for almost $1,000.00 lower than Nikon Canada's suggested list. The D40x kits we bought for the Arctic Winter Games five months ago are now worth half the price we paid. The D3x is worth $1,000 less than it was four months ago.
It isn't a new marketing rule; sales and rebates are to clear old stock for new product.
A lot of reliable sources, Reichman, Miranda, Specht, etc. are all calling for an increase in capability and decrease in price. What such cameras are actually called is moot, they are coming.
What idle speculation? True there may not be a camera called the D700 or the D90 or the Canon 6D in the wings but look around.
Canon is offering rebates. In Canada the D300 retails for almost $1,000.00 lower than Nikon Canada's suggested list. The D40x kits we bought for the Arctic Winter Games five months ago are now worth half the price we paid. The D3x is worth $1,000 less than it was four months ago.
It isn't a new marketing rule; sales and rebates are to clear old stock for new product.
A lot of reliable sources, Reichman, Miranda, Specht, etc. are all calling for an increase in capability and decrease in price. What such cameras are actually called is moot, they are coming.
I'm not commenting on the name or the fact that new cameras - and terrific ones to boot - are coming. I have no doubt that there are new cameras coming. Photokina is coming this fall, and there will be tons of new cameras, and tons of press releases. And if the bigger names are calling for better cameras, well, they always are; Although I haven't seen any of the bigger names or more reliable sites talking about this rumor.
But this seems to be a case of "my brother's friend's roommate's cousin's uncle got these pics of the new Nikon. It's totally LEGIT!!! SERIAL!!!" kind of thing.
I'd just prefer that people wait and see a little more. Otherwise you wind up with tons of these types of posts with no real information.
My research indicates the D3X may be released in July; 16.5 megapixels, full frame for $6,400 US. I can provide you with a variety of links for Nikon should you wish but that isn't the point of the post.
A number of people in these forums have expressed an interest in purchasing either rebated or on sale cameras. In researching a new body for myself, I'm lead to believe that that better technology at lower prices may be weeks, let alone months away. It isn't a "case of my brother's friend's roommate's cousin's uncle got these pics of the new Nikon." There is some informed opinion out there.
People are free to do their own research, form their own opinion. However it would be selfish not to alert fellow members who are considering a new body that perhaps they may wish to do some thorough research prior to spending a lot on a body which might be old technology at reduced prices very shortly.
However, there were also some 5D Mk II leaks of a similar type to these D3X leaks a long time ago, and the camera (in whatever form the 5D replacement will take) has yet to be announced, much less released. In fact, I posted that one on here....and later decided I shouldn't have.
These seem to be a constant, and as long as they're kept fun and questionable I suppose it's OK. (And it IS fun to speculate and dream sometimes...) But I don't think it's good to put any weight behind this stuff...
[Edit]
Some more comments from my point of view for those who are interested. I'm following dpreview quite a bit, and I see all the fakes and hoaxes come and go - and I've seen it for a couple of cameras now. Having no inside information at all (I bet those who have are having a good laugh at the moment), it's always difficult to judge what is right and what is simply BS for the sake of fooling a few gear geeks.
The "level" of information now is approximately what we had before the D3 and D300 release. So, in my opinion, these leaflet snapshots (allegedly by a Chinese student working in a Japanese printing facility...
Even though the lack of info on frame rate and the slightly bumpy speech used in the leaflet hint towards fake, I think this thing is legit. It's as good as what was publicly available before the D3/D300 release, and together with people firmly stating that something's to come on July 1st, it may all make sense.
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Basil
The D400 was supposed to be released June 7th; came and went with no camera so there is always an element of speculation. It is when allied vendors such as Delkin and Sandisk start making announcements it starts turning from rumour to "when"?
I've heard 13 fps for the D3X but until Nikon officially publishes it any specific technical detail would be nothing but speculation.
What I find interesting is the fps rate. When it gets up to 24 that will allow movie makers to ditch film stock required for sound synch. But that is moving from speculation to outright theory.
That would be more than 300 megapixels/second. Today's "sports/action" type cameras (1D MkIII, D3) manage merely 100. so that would mean tripling the data processing capabilities. Not impossible, but very surprising. Also, this would completely kill the D3 (lower FPS, lower resolution).
Basil
Plus there's the new Casio superzoom P&S that does the following fps rates :
1920 x 1080, 60 fps
512 x 384 300 fps
432 x 192 600 fps
336 x 96 1200 fps
640 x 480 30 fps (video)
1280 x 720 30 fps (video)
You mean, your research of the rumors you've read don't you? Is any of this information directly from Nikon? Can you today, right now, link to an official Nikon site that states this information?
Mark,
It was prefaced with may. Exact release dates and technical specifications would be sheer speculation. That being said Specht is saying hang on to your wallet presently in regards to Nikon equipment and he hasn't been too far off the mark in the years I've been on his list. Reichman on Luminous Landscape is calling for increased technical capability at lower prices by the fall.
As indicated in an earlier post, allied manufacturers are saying their product is D3X compliant.
What I can tell you today is every indication, wholesale and retail price cuts and rebates coupled informed opinion indicate more powerful cameras at cheaper prices by or at Photokina.
We bought four D40X's only to find when we took delivery a month later the D60 was out for the same price. Do you really believe Nikon or any manufacturer is going to slit their sales throat by giving long notices of new product?
If you want to see the direction digital is taking follow the Red link that David kindly provided. It will be a while before such technology filters down to still, but there are people on this list who can remember saying of their new 386, "Wow, look at that thing fly!"