Posted by Arni Cheatham on August 31, 2008 at 11:34 AM
I’m using an Epson 3800 and printing mostly on Crane Museo Silver Rag. My prints are framed and matted using metal frames, archival materials and under regular glass. I’m getting ready for a gallery show and noticed that with some of the Epson 3800 prints, the glass has clouded on the underside facing the image but not where the mat is. This hasn’t happened with many earlier Lambda laser prints I had made and that I framed the same way. I keep my loft air conditioned at a constant 68-70 degrees because I’ve got about 200 pieces here and I want to control the humidity and keep good conditions for the images.
Has anyone experienced or heard of this problem? Is it some kind of out-gassing? Anything I can do to mitigate this? I’m now worried that I’ll have to pull all these images apart and reclean the glass which is a major undertaking, Especially with a show to hang in 4 days.
this sounds like inkjet "outgassing". However, its the first I've heard of it with a non-photo paper. Papers like Premium Lustre are famous for it. Sounds like you need additional drying time proir to framing. I've never used Crane Museo, but with the Hahnemuele I use, I've framed within 3 days without getting outgassing. Of course I live in the low humidity of Phoenix, where its pretty much dry 20 seconds after its printed (this is a bit of an exaggeration)
Posted by Dennis Workman on September 1, 2008 at 5:48 AM
It does sound like outgassing and I do not believe it will go away without taking the prints out and cleaning the glass and drying the prints. If the prints don't get dry it will come back again. Some people suggest drying the prints with a hair dryer but I have not used this method but I do think I will try this myself in the future. From reading in this forum link below it does sound that Crane Museo Silver Rag does have this problem with the Epson K3 inks.
http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?t=24019
Posted by Arni Cheatham on September 1, 2008 at 9:41 AM
Thanks Loads George and Dennis. All the prints I"m having problems with are from a show I had at the end of 07. I made something like 30 new prints and was printing one day and framing the next day or the day after in order to get everything done. I thought 24 hours was good for drying time but evidently I was way off.
I've pulled apart eight prints from that group so far and five had hazing in various degrees. Guess I'm buying a hair drier and maybe looking into other papers although I really liked the look and feel of the Crane. Oh Well. Again thanks.
Posted by Dan Borzynski on September 2, 2008 at 7:54 PM
It is outgassing and will smell horrible when you open the frames.
I've used Epson's Premium Luster (or whatever it is called now) and still gotten outgassing even a year later, which is a factor in my decision not to use it.
Posted by Arni Cheatham on September 3, 2008 at 5:54 PM
Thanks Dan,
What are you using for paper now?
Posted by Dan Borzynski on September 4, 2008 at 8:49 PM
I am currently using the Epson Premium Ultrasmooth.
The other (and primary) reason for going the matte direction for paper is that under glass, the luster or glassy papers produce a second reflection. The first one is from the glass itself. Once framed, I find the matte papers look better from a normal viewing distance. For my taste, the ultrasmooth was the best of a bunch of really high quality choices.
I'd love a matte paper that was just as sharp as the glossy or luster papers, although I haven't found one yet. Granted, I haven't looked in a while, so there might be something out there. I'm certainly up for suggestions if anyone has any.
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6 repliesHas anyone experienced or heard of this problem? Is it some kind of out-gassing? Anything I can do to mitigate this? I’m now worried that I’ll have to pull all these images apart and reclean the glass which is a major undertaking, Especially with a show to hang in 4 days.
http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?t=24019
I've pulled apart eight prints from that group so far and five had hazing in various degrees. Guess I'm buying a hair drier and maybe looking into other papers although I really liked the look and feel of the Crane. Oh Well. Again thanks.
I've used Epson's Premium Luster (or whatever it is called now) and still gotten outgassing even a year later, which is a factor in my decision not to use it.
What are you using for paper now?
The other (and primary) reason for going the matte direction for paper is that under glass, the luster or glassy papers produce a second reflection. The first one is from the glass itself. Once framed, I find the matte papers look better from a normal viewing distance. For my taste, the ultrasmooth was the best of a bunch of really high quality choices.
I'd love a matte paper that was just as sharp as the glossy or luster papers, although I haven't found one yet. Granted, I haven't looked in a while, so there might be something out there. I'm certainly up for suggestions if anyone has any.