Seems that Creative Suite 4 is getting nearer to release. Adobe will be unveiling some details on CS4 in a weeks time on 23rd Sept. Will be interesting to see what they've come up with to add to Photoshop this time round... and the price .
To be perfectly honest Nick, I am so fed up with updates of programmes which are frankly of little use to me and are really just a means of trying to part me from the very little money that I have. I have an old copy of CS which probably does a hundred times more things than I can handle now so what would be the point of me upgrading. My photos are mainly constructed in the camera and I only carry out the usual cropping, levels, contrast and a bit of cloning so I for one won't even be looking at CS4. At my age change does not come easily and my poor little brain is just about at saturation point. And by the way, thanks once again for solving my previous PC problem (good example of my muppetry).
Posted by Larry Corbett on September 15, 2008 at 4:07 PM
Well said Robert!, changing tact slightly
Nick with all due respect you appear to be advertising the proposed release of two third parties new software, therefore you are contradicting the following UKNP forum rules:-
1. NPN (UKNP Forum) is strictly dedicated to the art and technique of nature photography and all conversation should pertain directly to nature photography.
10. UKNP Forum does not allow any commercial advertising or ‘infomercials’ on the forum.
Posted by Mike Smith on September 15, 2008 at 5:02 PM
I always took the reference to commercial advertising or infomercials to be a restriction on self promotion of services/products for profit. (exception being workshops in the appropriate place)
Larry, I wish I had a financial interest in Adobe, but unfortunately I don't . And as I use their products (as do many others) in preparation and support of photographs, I think it does pertain to Nature Photography.
Rule 10. The commerciality rules on the forum are in place to stop people using the board to help line their own (or their friends) pockets or adversely affect the income of another person. They also stop the forum from being used to direct people's attention to any advert where the above could be seen as applicable. What is, obvioulsy, allowed is the simple reply to "Where can I find XXX? ", a simple reply being " Burts shop has a good deal on XXX at the moment" but, let's be clear, the question is required first.
Rule 1. is there to stop the proliferation of all rumours/most OT/vapourware/political/sporting etc. topics e.g. rumoured products even if they have an application to nature photography, including cameras. One reason for this rule is to negate any potential litigation for libel - need I say more. What is allowed is the heads up about a openly released product for which manufacturers released data is available where that product is intended for nature photography specifically or, additionally, will be of a wide interest to the nature photography market - but I reiterate only after the product has been made public by the manufacturer and even then, only by a person who will receive no remittance for doing so and is unconnected to the manufacturing company.
I accept that the application of the above rules is always going to be subjective, this is why there are 3 moderators who have differing characters and background but bound by one interest (at least) - nature photography.
My advice to anybody about to post a non-image topic is to ask yourself;
Is this information I am about to post real (not rumour)?
Is the content of the post clearly non-advertising just informative?
Do I have a concrete reference/link for the information?
Does this relate to nature photography?
Is it obvious to the layman that I have no, even secondary, connection to the data source and I have not, and will not, make any benefit in kind from this post?
This list is not exhaustive but if your answer to all of the above is YES you are on the right track not to get deleted...
Posted by Larry Corbett on September 16, 2008 at 8:52 AM
Thanks for the clarifications Tom, was starting to wonder as to why some posts which appeared to be speculating about the spec's of a rumored/announced but so far "un-released" product are allowed and others which are along similar lines are deleted. Not that I bear any grudges what so ever!
Nick, it's all too easy to get excited about new software without ever actually stopping to think...
a) Do I really need to upgrade?
b) will it make me a better photographer?
c) can I justify the cost and work it in to the family budget...and not get shouted at by my wife...or does little freddie go with out new shoes so that I can have the latest software!
I am currently still finding my way around CS2 and it'll be along time before I need to upgrade, the only improvement that I could see (not that i've studied the specs much) in CS3 was an upgraded Raw convertor and i've been told that the latest CS3 "Contrast" control is an improvement on the older versions as it does keep detail in the whites, not that i need such a thing as I always blow them...
After a few online tutorials from ***on (not wanting to advertise) their Raw conversion programme has everthing I've needed so far and it came free with the camera.
Camera Technology on the other hand I have to say is a completely different ball game (at the moment) as it is constantly evolving, manufactures are bringing out more than enough minor upgrades, are leap frogging each other every few months and some photographers are jumping from one to the other and sometimes back again without ever stopping to think what it is doing to their finances and whether or not they are taking better pictures.
Live view./video.. do we as nature photographers really need them?
Not wanting to speculate but as soon as certain manufacurers come up with a camera which can produce just over 50mb 16 bit (16-20mp??) converted raw files without interpolation, offer multi point autofocus systems which can match the ***on D3D, a good dynamic range, anti dust sensors, a decent battery life, 6-10 fps....and no bugs, then the bird/wildlfie photographers who are ***on users will have a camera that will do job more than adequately, if they have reason to moan about poor quality picture then people will look to them and not any short comings of the camera they are using and the only time to upgrade will be when it wears out or it gets dropped.
I have reconcidered the sale of my "old/out of date" full frame 12.8 mp camera and have decided that although it hasn't seen much use since I bought it just 3 years ago, it'll do the job of close up macro work etc more than adequately and with a subtle amount of interpolation appears to satisfy the needs of my agent / private clients with regards to image quality and will only upgrade this again once it packs up working, or if my wife breaks it over my head for just spending the holiday money on a new computer.
It may be nice to be fully up to date with all the latest technology but it really does drain your bank account fast...mine's drained after just one camera/computer upgrade in 5 years. I suspect many others in these hard financial times are just having to make do and use what they've already got
I'm guilty of not posting photo's but i will soon just stocking up a bit and seem to be ever occupied with the needs of our two little people.
Tom my email is not available I was given some advice as to not publicly advertise my private email address so as to avoid spam and since i've done it i've more than halved the trashy emails! I used to get up to 80 junk emails aday now i'm down to about 10-20..ish, am looking to link some sort of "non-direct" contact page to my website which is currently down and a rather tangled mix of messy unfinished pages and will be for some time yet.
Looking forward to meeting you both at the convention, which is now less than 2 weeks away!
"was starting to wonder as to why some posts which appeared to be speculating about the spec's of a rumored/announced but so far "un-released" product are allowed and others which are along similar lines are deleted."
... that's simple ... Mods are human
Posted by Paul Gibbs on September 16, 2008 at 9:47 AM
On the subject of CS4, i'd buy it if the upgrades didnt cost so much. I have CS, and i would have every other version if the upgrade was £50 or £100, but almost £200 for incremental upgrades is too much.
Posted by Andrew Forsyth on September 16, 2008 at 9:58 AM
Thanks Nick, bet you never expected this topic to be so controversial
I tend to skip every other upgrade unless it has a killer app that I need, so having passed on shifting from CS2 to 3 at home I'll certainly be giving the CS4 spec a glance on the 23rd. Who knows, there might be something useful/important in it...
Like many, I don't do every software update that comes along, usually skipping at least one version. As I skipped CS3, I'll move to CS4 when it arrives, and cross-grade to the Mac version at the same time. That means I can pretty much ditch the PC when that happens. That'll be worth a few hundred quid a year simply in saved headaches and angst .
There look to be some nice speed increases, and some interesting things to be done with stretching and compressing images. For the rest, we'll simply have to wait for now.
Larry, I'm sure it will be an interesting weekend. I think you'll quite enjoy Laurie's keynote presentation .
Posted by David Clapp on September 17, 2008 at 8:29 AM
This is funny reading, steady on fella's.
All I can say is all herald the release of CS4 with a veritabel fanfare of trumpets, thanks for the reminder. I for one am certainly going to get it as it has 64bit architecture, how utterly amazing. It can use all the cores of my new machine instead of one, woohoo, it can help use the 8gig of RAM I need instead of choking out at just over 2gig, yay, and it will make processing quicker. COME ON!
Its easy to miss the point of an upgrade if you're happy with what the software does for you. I for one often stitch pictures, I often exposure blend stitched pictures. A 16bit 5D file comprising of two landsape format shots may well start off at 130mb. At a layer thats 260, at some adjustment layers and 1gb of RAM is gone. Try a three shot vertical stitch and the background layer starts off at 170mb.
I built my machine with 64bit Vista for exactly the reason, upgrading, because in 5 years time I should still be cooking along, the RAM is upgradable to 128gig! I shoot very differently to you guys so I can see your reasons for poo pooing it, but often its worth looking under the bonnet a little more than just conisdering the upgrade might just be a new tool in the navigation bar. I thought Vista was pointless for me, until I realised its got a lot more going on than I considered.
Anyway this is a plug for my new post, you'll be dissapointed to read it never got above a measily 2gig of layers.
Discussion
11 repliesSeems that Creative Suite 4 is getting nearer to release. Adobe will be unveiling some details on CS4 in a weeks time on 23rd Sept. Will be interesting to see what they've come up with to add to Photoshop this time round... and the price
Nick with all due respect you appear to be advertising the proposed release of two third parties new software, therefore you are contradicting the following UKNP forum rules:-
1. NPN (UKNP Forum) is strictly dedicated to the art and technique of nature photography and all conversation should pertain directly to nature photography.
10. UKNP Forum does not allow any commercial advertising or ‘infomercials’ on the forum.
I always took the reference to commercial advertising or infomercials to be a restriction on self promotion of services/products for profit. (exception being workshops in the appropriate place)
Surely a "heads up" is not a "commercial plug"?
Larry, I wish I had a financial interest in Adobe, but unfortunately I don't
Robert - you're welcome - glad I could help.
Rule 10. The commerciality rules on the forum are in place to stop people using the board to help line their own (or their friends) pockets or adversely affect the income of another person. They also stop the forum from being used to direct people's attention to any advert where the above could be seen as applicable. What is, obvioulsy, allowed is the simple reply to "Where can I find XXX? ", a simple reply being " Burts shop has a good deal on XXX at the moment" but, let's be clear, the question is required first.
Rule 1. is there to stop the proliferation of all rumours/most OT/vapourware/political/sporting etc. topics e.g. rumoured products even if they have an application to nature photography, including cameras. One reason for this rule is to negate any potential litigation for libel - need I say more. What is allowed is the heads up about a openly released product for which manufacturers released data is available where that product is intended for nature photography specifically or, additionally, will be of a wide interest to the nature photography market - but I reiterate only after the product has been made public by the manufacturer and even then, only by a person who will receive no remittance for doing so and is unconnected to the manufacturing company.
I accept that the application of the above rules is always going to be subjective, this is why there are 3 moderators who have differing characters and background but bound by one interest (at least) - nature photography.
My advice to anybody about to post a non-image topic is to ask yourself;
Is this information I am about to post real (not rumour)?
Is the content of the post clearly non-advertising just informative?
Do I have a concrete reference/link for the information?
Does this relate to nature photography?
Is it obvious to the layman that I have no, even secondary, connection to the data source and I have not, and will not, make any benefit in kind from this post?
This list is not exhaustive but if your answer to all of the above is YES you are on the right track not to get deleted...
Nick, it's all too easy to get excited about new software without ever actually stopping to think...
a) Do I really need to upgrade?
b) will it make me a better photographer?
c) can I justify the cost and work it in to the family budget...and not get shouted at by my wife...or does little freddie go with out new shoes so that I can have the latest software!
I am currently still finding my way around CS2 and it'll be along time before I need to upgrade, the only improvement that I could see (not that i've studied the specs much) in CS3 was an upgraded Raw convertor and i've been told that the latest CS3 "Contrast" control is an improvement on the older versions as it does keep detail in the whites, not that i need such a thing as I always blow them...
After a few online tutorials from ***on (not wanting to advertise) their Raw conversion programme has everthing I've needed so far and it came free with the camera.
Camera Technology on the other hand I have to say is a completely different ball game (at the moment) as it is constantly evolving, manufactures are bringing out more than enough minor upgrades, are leap frogging each other every few months and some photographers are jumping from one to the other and sometimes back again without ever stopping to think what it is doing to their finances and whether or not they are taking better pictures.
Live view./video.. do we as nature photographers really need them?
Not wanting to speculate but as soon as certain manufacurers come up with a camera which can produce just over 50mb 16 bit (16-20mp??) converted raw files without interpolation, offer multi point autofocus systems which can match the ***on D3D, a good dynamic range, anti dust sensors, a decent battery life, 6-10 fps....and no bugs, then the bird/wildlfie photographers who are ***on users will have a camera that will do job more than adequately, if they have reason to moan about poor quality picture then people will look to them and not any short comings of the camera they are using and the only time to upgrade will be when it wears out or it gets dropped.
I have reconcidered the sale of my "old/out of date" full frame 12.8 mp camera and have decided that although it hasn't seen much use since I bought it just 3 years ago, it'll do the job of close up macro work etc more than adequately and with a subtle amount of interpolation appears to satisfy the needs of my agent / private clients with regards to image quality and will only upgrade this again once it packs up working, or if my wife breaks it over my head for just spending the holiday money on a new computer.
It may be nice to be fully up to date with all the latest technology but it really does drain your bank account fast...mine's drained after just one camera/computer upgrade in 5 years. I suspect many others in these hard financial times are just having to make do and use what they've already got
I'm guilty of not posting photo's but i will soon just stocking up a bit and seem to be ever occupied with the needs of our two little people.
Tom my email is not available I was given some advice as to not publicly advertise my private email address so as to avoid spam and since i've done it i've more than halved the trashy emails! I used to get up to 80 junk emails aday now i'm down to about 10-20..ish, am looking to link some sort of "non-direct" contact page to my website which is currently down and a rather tangled mix of messy unfinished pages and will be for some time yet.
Looking forward to meeting you both at the convention, which is now less than 2 weeks away!
"was starting to wonder as to why some posts which appeared to be speculating about the spec's of a rumored/announced but so far "un-released" product are allowed and others which are along similar lines are deleted."
... that's simple ... Mods are human
I tend to skip every other upgrade unless it has a killer app that I need, so having passed on shifting from CS2 to 3 at home I'll certainly be giving the CS4 spec a glance on the 23rd. Who knows, there might be something useful/important in it...
Andrew
Like many, I don't do every software update that comes along, usually skipping at least one version. As I skipped CS3, I'll move to CS4 when it arrives, and cross-grade to the Mac version at the same time. That means I can pretty much ditch the PC when that happens. That'll be worth a few hundred quid a year simply in saved headaches and angst
There look to be some nice speed increases, and some interesting things to be done with stretching and compressing images. For the rest, we'll simply have to wait for now.
Larry, I'm sure it will be an interesting weekend. I think you'll quite enjoy Laurie's keynote presentation
All I can say is all herald the release of CS4 with a veritabel fanfare of trumpets, thanks for the reminder. I for one am certainly going to get it as it has 64bit architecture, how utterly amazing. It can use all the cores of my new machine instead of one, woohoo, it can help use the 8gig of RAM I need instead of choking out at just over 2gig, yay, and it will make processing quicker. COME ON!
Its easy to miss the point of an upgrade if you're happy with what the software does for you. I for one often stitch pictures, I often exposure blend stitched pictures. A 16bit 5D file comprising of two landsape format shots may well start off at 130mb. At a layer thats 260, at some adjustment layers and 1gb of RAM is gone. Try a three shot vertical stitch and the background layer starts off at 170mb.
I built my machine with 64bit Vista for exactly the reason, upgrading, because in 5 years time I should still be cooking along, the RAM is upgradable to 128gig! I shoot very differently to you guys so I can see your reasons for poo pooing it, but often its worth looking under the bonnet a little more than just conisdering the upgrade might just be a new tool in the navigation bar. I thought Vista was pointless for me, until I realised its got a lot more going on than I considered.
Anyway this is a plug for my new post, you'll be dissapointed to read it never got above a measily 2gig of layers.