Posted by Barry Southon on October 22, 2009 at 12:59 PM
Many thanks for the comments and critique in respect of my crop issue. I'm still working on this and if I may I'd like to post another effort for Critique Comment Advice as you see fit.
Canon 1D3 Canon 800mm on tripod ISO800 f/9.0 1/320 sec. RAW to lightroom cropped to PS4 resized to post.
A very nice shot Barry. If it were mine I'd take some off the right and if you mhave anything at the top I'd like to extend the top a bit giving a longer narrower crop.
Robert.
Posted by Barry Southon on October 22, 2009 at 1:14 PM
This is the original full frame image.
Thanks for looking.
Posted by Liam Pauling on October 22, 2009 at 1:28 PM
Wow your getting a lot of detail from the original, I would never/never be able to do that. I would make a similar crop to the first one but slightly less of a crop, if that makes sense?
Posted by Barry Southon on October 22, 2009 at 1:34 PM
Thanks Robert and Liam what I'm trying to understand is the cropping balance that I should be trying to find in the image. I'm using images I've seen on this forum as a guide but I'm not sure my interpretation is correct.
Posted by Craig Jones on October 22, 2009 at 2:18 PM
Beautiful image,love these birds and great capture first one for me
The crop is OK, but it's not too sharp on my screen.
Posted by Lewis Thomson on October 22, 2009 at 3:31 PM
Hi Barry,
Interesting pose caught here. I would never crop in this much though, it really does effect the quality of the image, even more so at such a high ISO. It would have been a nice enough image if you had rotated the camera to portrait and left it full frame imo.
Cheers,
Lewis.
Posted by Andrew Stagg on October 23, 2009 at 5:08 AM
The crop has some real power in the image, a tad sharper would make it a cracker.
Posted by Barry Southon on October 23, 2009 at 5:39 AM
Thanks again for viewing and the comments.
My conclusion seems to confirm sharpness is lost with the crop factor increasing also sharpness is decreased further by the resized for posting process and compression. The large image is far sharper on my screen. Even enlarged by zooming the feather detail is sharp.
I'm just trying to understand what happens in the process and how to deal with crop factor.
Cropping is all down to personal taste and goes hand in hand with composition.
The degree of cropping is really dependant on the initial image, for example what format was it shot in, i.e. RAW etc.. Obviously the mega pixel of the camera in the first place is one of the main controlling factors.
There is one other thing which is worth bearing in mind, RAW files contain 100% of the images information, but when you post process it, you alter this information and when you save as a jpeg, quality has to be lost, the jpeg format is that of compression, so image quality has to suffer. Try this, take a RAW image, do nothing to it other than save it as a maximum quality jpeg. Now check the two file sizes, something has to have given, to give the smaller file size of the jpeg.
By cropping you have achieved here an image with a difference, which few would have seen, from what, to be very honest, was a very mundane original.
Just crop to suit your own eye and taste, then consider what others say. Enjoy your photography, that’s the most important thing.
Neil
Posted by eric weight on October 24, 2009 at 12:58 AM
I like the element that you have cropped from the original Barry, but I have to admit that this is a crop too far imo. I really think that your results would benefit from trying to get much closer in the first place, you will always be fighting the limitations of your equipment to get a high quality picture. That is just my opinion though, as I say picture is fine. Eric
Posted by David Taylor on October 25, 2009 at 8:58 AM
Neil's explanation is spot on IMHO. Crop and be damned (or not)
Posted by Barry Southon on October 25, 2009 at 9:11 AM
Interesting points raised for consideration and I really appreciate the contributions.
Discussion
13 repliesCanon 1D3 Canon 800mm on tripod ISO800 f/9.0 1/320 sec. RAW to lightroom cropped to PS4 resized to post.
Thanks for looking.
Robert.
Thanks for looking.
Hi Barry,
Interesting pose caught here. I would never crop in this much though, it really does effect the quality of the image, even more so at such a high ISO. It would have been a nice enough image if you had rotated the camera to portrait and left it full frame imo.
Cheers,
Lewis.
My conclusion seems to confirm sharpness is lost with the crop factor increasing also sharpness is decreased further by the resized for posting process and compression. The large image is far sharper on my screen. Even enlarged by zooming the feather detail is sharp.
I'm just trying to understand what happens in the process and how to deal with crop factor.
Cropping is all down to personal taste and goes hand in hand with composition.
The degree of cropping is really dependant on the initial image, for example what format was it shot in, i.e. RAW etc.. Obviously the mega pixel of the camera in the first place is one of the main controlling factors.
There is one other thing which is worth bearing in mind, RAW files contain 100% of the images information, but when you post process it, you alter this information and when you save as a jpeg, quality has to be lost, the jpeg format is that of compression, so image quality has to suffer. Try this, take a RAW image, do nothing to it other than save it as a maximum quality jpeg. Now check the two file sizes, something has to have given, to give the smaller file size of the jpeg.
By cropping you have achieved here an image with a difference, which few would have seen, from what, to be very honest, was a very mundane original.
Just crop to suit your own eye and taste, then consider what others say. Enjoy your photography, that’s the most important thing.
Neil