Posted by Jesse Speer on December 3, 2009 at 10:50 AM
Quick poll ... comments are welcome.
Made during a 2006 backpacking trip in the Holy Cross Wilderness. 5d + 17-40mm
Posted by Jesse Speer on December 3, 2009 at 10:51 AM
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Posted by Jeff Sirota on December 3, 2009 at 11:08 AM
I like the black and white better, personally. The contrast is excellent, and the patterns on the rock are better demonstrated in B&W. The colors don't add much, in my opinion.
One critique, though. I am guessing from the waterfall's orientation that this shot was level/plumb, but the whole image gives me a very falling-to-the-right kind of feeling. You probably can't straighten it without making the waterfall look unnaturally oriented, but that's the only thing keeping me from loving this shot.
Otherwise, though, a nice intimate landscape and an excellent B&W conversion.
Posted by bill meikle on December 3, 2009 at 11:16 AM
B&W, more moody..
Posted by Stephen Weaver on December 3, 2009 at 11:21 AM
Another vote for B&W
Posted by Bryan Maltais on December 3, 2009 at 11:22 AM
color
Posted by Brian Jackson on December 3, 2009 at 11:23 AM
B&W for sure.
Posted by Jack Garrett on December 3, 2009 at 11:30 AM
b&w
Posted by Jesse Speer on December 3, 2009 at 11:30 AM
I should probably add my own perspective here. Jeff, your comments are great ... as I wanted to actually showcase the turbulence of the land around the small waterfall. Occupying most of the frame with the sweeping, disorienting lines was quite intentional. I'm leaning towards black/white, as the waterfall seems to offer more contrast/impact as an anchor in that version ... but the color of the rock (and contrast with the grass) was also fascinating.
Posted by Jack Brauer on December 3, 2009 at 11:48 AM
Color for me! The complimentary colors accentuate those grass leading lines. The colors also give me a better sense of the scene.
Dude! Both versions make me vertiginous - but the B+W makes it worse. Since you're trying to showcase the turbulence of the land I'd have to say the B+W does it exceedingly well and better than the color version.
Posted by Joshua Hardin on December 3, 2009 at 12:01 PM
This one is a tough choice. The BW accentuates the textures of the rocks more, but the green grass lines on the color don't pop nearly as well in that conversion. If I had to choose, I'd say pick the BW, but darken the grass lines even more so they continue to lead the eye toward the waterfall as effectively as they do in the color version.
Posted by Amy Lindsey on December 3, 2009 at 12:49 PM
color- otherwise the waterfall tends to get a bit lost, as does the runoff
Posted by Doug Andrews on December 3, 2009 at 12:53 PM
My thoughts mirror what Amy posted.
Posted by Erik Aagaard on December 3, 2009 at 12:54 PM
Woah - vertigo! Definitely black & white.
Posted by Jody Grigg on December 3, 2009 at 1:08 PM
Color, otherwise the greens get lost and as Jack said, the complimentary colors are nice!
Posted by Bill Pelzmann on December 3, 2009 at 2:02 PM
Color for the first version. But I like the vertical B&W best.
Posted by Scott Fricke on December 3, 2009 at 2:09 PM
For me there is much more visual impact with the B&W. I really like the tones in the image. I like vertical the best, like you said, it is more focused.
Posted by Jimmy Gekas on December 3, 2009 at 2:15 PM
The vertical bw rocks
Posted by Don Grall on December 3, 2009 at 2:28 PM
Jesse, Visually the color has more impact. You threw a wrench in it with the vertical. I'm with Don. A much more intimate scene. Nice. How's that one in color?
Posted by Grant Collier on December 3, 2009 at 2:47 PM
I like the vertical black & white, though I think I'd a color, vertical better. To be honest, I'm not sure any of these stack up with the other photos on you web site, as you've set the bar so high. The colors are a bit drab and the b&w doesn't have enough contrasting tones for me.
Posted by Jared Atencio on December 3, 2009 at 3:05 PM
I vote for the color vertical you'll be posting here shortly
Posted by Jesse Speer on December 3, 2009 at 3:43 PM
Thanks for the honest feedback everyone. Keywording, cleaning up and culling my Lightroom database in my spare time, so I may post some more of these.
Posted by Sarah Marino on December 3, 2009 at 4:42 PM
Horizontal color version - I like the leading lines with the grass, which I think get lost in the horizontal black and white. I prefer the black and white vertical. The tones and patterns in the foreground add a lot of interest to that version to me.
I like both the color versions, but I'm probably a little biased right now since its so white outside right now and anything with color looks nice...Both are fantastic shots.
Posted by John Mumaw on December 3, 2009 at 7:33 PM
I just love a good b&w image, so the b&w vertical is my favorite.The falls did tend to get 'lost' in the horizontal presentation, and the slight vignette is just perfect in the vertical.
Posted by Paul Wegemann on December 3, 2009 at 8:40 PM
I love the B/White by far, that's with the vignetting. The vignetting works way better with B/W than with color. This kind of B/W comp with vignetting really Pops!!!
Posted by Stan Rose on December 3, 2009 at 9:27 PM
No contest--B&W all the way!! But the color vertical is a close third to the 2 B&Ws
Posted by Amy Lindsey on December 3, 2009 at 10:09 PM
2nd version- color. grass leads your eyes to the falls and runoff. Nice capture!
Posted by Jesse Speer on December 3, 2009 at 10:49 PM
Thanks everyone, for playing along with the experiment. Every now and then, an image like this comes along and I simply can't pull the trigger - for whatever reason. This helps.
Color for #1 for me...B&W for #2, though the color version is just as nice. Sorry for the late input!
Posted by Kurt Bowman on December 4, 2009 at 10:57 AM
100% the B&W for me....I didn't even notice the lines and textures in the color version until I stared at it for several minutes. OPn the B&W, they popped off the screen, plus the tonal range is absolutely terrific!
Posted by Laurent Baig on December 4, 2009 at 11:37 AM
B+W for sure. It's awsome in the tones department.
Posted by Bret Edge on December 4, 2009 at 12:41 PM
I like the b&w better from an artistic standpoint but I think the color version better represents the geologic drama. The vastly different colored rock isn't as apparent in the b&w as in the color version, where the statement of the geologic event that created it is much more impactful. Both are actually really nice, Jesse.
Posted by Nat Coalson on December 4, 2009 at 5:20 PM
How about all BW except for the greenery? I know, not something you (or I) would normally do but might be a fun treatment.
On both, I find the first comp a bit wonky. What's the subject??? I think I get where you were seeing but might be more effective with less foreground on the left?
I think the second version is MUCH better. The only problem there is that all the lines converging at frame right really draw the eye to the frame edge... and out. A bit more space there would be nice.
Posted by Rick Dunn on December 4, 2009 at 8:13 PM
These are all solid images, Jesse. What works best probably depends on the intended usage. In general, I prefer the color version for reasons similar to Bret's. The B&W is dramatic - and I really like it - but offers less visual context for me. If I was hanging one, I'd go B&W vertical. If I'm picking the strongest image, I vote for the horizontal color version.
Posted by Jesse Speer on December 4, 2009 at 8:33 PM
Not a bad idea, Nat. I'll try that out for fun. And you pretty much nailed my hesitation with this image - the edge convergence. I took a lot of comps of this scene, and nearly every one features that same edge issue. May be why I passed it over long ago. Some of my commercial clients usually end up selecting images that I don't consider to be my best work - so it's good to hear outside perspectives.
Posted by Kalin Wilson on December 5, 2009 at 2:19 AM
B&W #2 for me. I like the more intimate scene and emphasis on the waterfall. The right edge convergence is a little distracting but I think it still works. Nice treatment.
Posted by Morris McClung on December 5, 2009 at 11:06 AM
Wow, I'm behind in my comments, and I thought I had already chimed in on this one. The B&W is a touch more dramatic, but that comp works with both processes so well. No mistaking your intent here, and yes, vertigo is the word that immediately pops into mind. Makes for a wee bit of uncomfort in certain areas of my body, if you know what I mean. Another uniquely "Speer" shot.
Posted by Scott Borger on December 6, 2009 at 9:24 PM
Discussion
46 repliesMade during a 2006 backpacking trip in the Holy Cross Wilderness. 5d + 17-40mm
One critique, though. I am guessing from the waterfall's orientation that this shot was level/plumb, but the whole image gives me a very falling-to-the-right kind of feeling. You probably can't straighten it without making the waterfall look unnaturally oriented, but that's the only thing keeping me from loving this shot.
Otherwise, though, a nice intimate landscape and an excellent B&W conversion.
It WAS pretty trippy walking along this slope.
Thanks for the honest feedback everyone. Keywording, cleaning up and culling my Lightroom database in my spare time, so I may post some more of these.
On both, I find the first comp a bit wonky. What's the subject??? I think I get where you were seeing but might be more effective with less foreground on the left?
I think the second version is MUCH better. The only problem there is that all the lines converging at frame right really draw the eye to the frame edge... and out. A bit more space there would be nice.