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I'm Still Alive

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Posted by Erik Stensland on May 15, 2010 at 2:05 PM
I'm Still Alive
Hey everyone, I know I haven't posted much here in a very long time. I'll try to begin making up for that over the next weeks.

This morning I had a really nice sunrise at Sprague Lake and captured about a dozen images that I am semi-happy with. One of the things I'm not sure how to deal with are situations like this where the spot that the sun is rising is so bright in comparison with the rest of the scene that it always gets blown out unless I underexpose by at least three stops. Any thoughts on how else this could be handled and yet still look natural? Thanks! As always, any comments or suggestions are greatly appreciated!

BTW, I recently returned from a SW trip and have lots of new images. When I finally finish processing them, I'll post a link here.
Posted by Erik Stensland on May 15, 2010 at 2:06 PM
#2 (Sorry these aren't in order)
Posted by Erik Stensland on May 15, 2010 at 2:07 PM
#3 And another from this morning
Posted by Erik Stensland on May 15, 2010 at 2:07 PM
#4
Posted by Erik Stensland on May 15, 2010 at 2:09 PM
#5 from this morning
Posted by Erik Stensland on May 15, 2010 at 2:10 PM
And finally #6
Posted by Stan Rose on May 15, 2010 at 2:18 PM
Those are awesome, Erik--glad yo got out! #5 is my easy fav, followed by #2, but theyre all real nice.
Posted by Dean Sauskojus on May 15, 2010 at 3:00 PM
Great photos Eric. First and the last are my favs. If you took these all in one day that's pretty impressive.
Posted by John Mumaw on May 15, 2010 at 3:15 PM
What a magnificent sunrise! Excellent, awe inspiring work here.
Thanks a bunch for sharing that with us.

As far as that bright spot, it doesn't really bother me 'cos it's not that distracting.
All I can think of is either using a reverse grad. filter, underexposing even more than three stops to tame that small area and blending that area back in or figuring out how to get the lesser exposed areas that are reflected in the lake on a couple of them and mirror them back up to the skies.

Looking forward to seeing your work from the Southwest.
Posted by Morris McClung on May 15, 2010 at 3:16 PM
You must have been that blur going by other photographers :biggrin: What a haul from one morning's work! :eek: These are all excellent.
I have the same problem, and as far as I am concerned (of course, I am not the expert here) I don't think digital handles the bright areas as well as slide film did. Well, today we do try to get detail in shadow areas, where before, we accepted that the shadows would block out with Velvia. But it is one of my pet peeves about sensors. I have just made up my mind to shoot north or south at sunrise and not directly into it. :smile:
Posted by Joshua Hardin on May 15, 2010 at 3:38 PM
Looks like it was quite a nice morning up there. Welcome back and great selection Erik. #4 is my fav here. Looking forward to seeing some more RMNP stuff as well as selections from your recent SW trip.

As far as the bright spots go there are a few options. Maybe you've played around with some of these a bit: Option 1: GND filters: They can control the sky highlights very well, especially when reflections are involved. The downside is flare happens more often at certain angles when shooting toward the sun. Option 2: Bracket exposures and blend manually in PS. I think this leads to the best quality photo in the end however it can be time consuming. Option 3: Process the same RAW file in different ways and blend or use a tone-mapping program like Photomatix. My luck with this method varies but it can be a quick software fix for the highlights (or shadows). The downside is you're pulling a lot of info from one exposure and noise issues can arise. Option 4: Use the PS color picker to select a darker color from your image and "paint" over the highlights using different layers and opacities. Takes a little practice but I've read some recommendations of this method over at ESS. The nice part about this is you don't have to bracket exposures or reprocess entire files.
Posted by Erik Stensland on May 15, 2010 at 4:53 PM
Thanks for the feedback guys. Joshua, I think your idea #4 might be the best for me. I'll have to look into that. I find that when I do blending of really extreme exposure differences like this that I don't get the natural look I want. This morning I didn't even bother bracketing. As for the GND, I don't leave home without them. I shot these images with a 3x soft GND. I'm not sure if a reverse grad would work for these situations where the bright sky takes up just a sliver above the trees, it might darken the trees too much. Morris, I am not going back to film unless you agree to pay for the scanning. :wink:
Posted by Grant Collier on May 15, 2010 at 5:19 PM
That's okay, it's actually been quite nice around here without you around! :jump: I hate to say it but these images really aren't that bad. :frown: The bright spots aren't overly distracting. Have you tried a simple Highlight Recovery in Lightroom? Nat says you shouldn't push it past 20, but sometimes I go crazy and push it to 100 just to see how it looks...it's a quick and easy approach and sometimes the results are satisfactory to me. If not, I'll pull back on the slider. I might also do a tiny rotation clockwise on the 2nd shot.
Posted by Erik Stensland on May 15, 2010 at 6:02 PM
Thanks Grant, I think. :wink: Yep, I've played with the Recovery slider and this is the best I can get it.
Posted by D J Kuklinski on May 15, 2010 at 7:37 PM
Nice set of images Erik! The bright spots don't bother me at all.
Posted by bill meikle on May 16, 2010 at 7:58 AM
Gorgeous Erik. I've got no better ideas for resolving the bright area, whenever I shoot into the sun I get the same issues.
Posted by Paul Wegemann on May 16, 2010 at 9:34 AM
What a bunch of great images, Erik! Now I'm kicking myself for not getting out yesterday.
Posted by Aleksei Saunders on May 16, 2010 at 9:50 AM
Really love the sun-star shots Erik - and #5.
Posted by Jason J. Hatfield on May 16, 2010 at 11:09 AM
Great shots, I love the sunburst in #6.
Posted by Stephen Trainor on May 17, 2010 at 12:46 AM
Another vote for #5 - really nice colours here. As one of RMNP's "tamest" lakes, Sprague really does have a lot to offer.
Posted by Rod Chandler on May 17, 2010 at 10:57 AM
Erik, #5 is a "blow your shorts off" shot. Beautiful. All are nice. No advice from this old boy who ranks you among his heroes. :smile:
Posted by Brian Jackson on May 17, 2010 at 11:49 AM
These are all really good, but #5 is the amazing.
Posted by Erik Stensland on May 17, 2010 at 12:21 PM
Hmm, I never guessed that #5 would be the one that most people would enjoy.
Posted by Lynn Scott on May 19, 2010 at 2:02 AM
I like them all!! Great color and Comps.
Posted by Kelly Black on May 19, 2010 at 3:29 AM
Hi Erik,
Glad to hear you're still alive and well. :)
These are great! I'm no expert, so I can't advise on how to mitigate the problem, but I can say that the highlights in the 1st one don't bother me.
I LOVE the light on the snowbanks on the right side in the 3rd image. And # 5 is a winner for me, also. Just love the light in the sky and the reflection.
Beautiful collection.