Not to be obnoxious, because I'm sure it's a very fine camera, but it doesn't seem like there's much/many improvements for landscape photographers over the 5Dm2 when looking at the specs. We'll have to wait to see some files out of them, though, for a real judgement...
I'm more intrigued by the announcement that:
"New in DPP v3.11 is Digital Lens Optimizer – a revolutionary new tool designed to drastically improve image resolution. Digital Lens Optimizer (DLO) precisely imitates lens performance, with a series of complex mathematical functions replicating each stage of the journey of light through the optical path. Using this information DLO can correct a range of typical optical aberrations and loss of resolution caused by a camera’s low pass filter, by applying an inverse function to each shot to take the image nearer to how the scene appears to the naked eye."
Not that I want to start using DPP as part of my workflow, but it's an interesting idea. Canon should know better than anyone else how to process their raw files...
Not to be obnoxious, because I'm sure it's a very fine camera, but it doesn't seem like there's much/many improvements for landscape photographers over the 5Dm2 when looking at the specs. We'll have to wait to see some files out of them, though, for a real judgement...
True, but there may be some that are ready to upgrade from the original 5D, or have worn out their 5D2. I do agree that it's appears to be a marginal upgrade over the 5D2 for someone that only shoots landscapes.
So what do you Astro-shooters think of the second Aurora sample (in Adams link) - shot at ISO 6400 ?
The claim is 2 stops better noise - in JPEG.
So, I have to assume much of this is done in processing?
Posted by Jack Garrett on March 2, 2012 at 2:51 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't the 5d mkII been priced at $3200.00 with the 24-105? Seems like a pretty big price hike for a camera with no lens and I'm just wondering if it's worth it. I'd like to move up to full frame. I just looked on B&H site and mkII is 3199.00 with lens so it's about $1,000 more for this one..ouch!
Jack, it's rumored that there will be a significant ($300 ?) price reduction in the 5D2 next week.
Don't know how much of it will be passed on to the street price.
That news about DPP/DLO is the most interesting part of the entire announcement.
Posted by Darren Huski on March 2, 2012 at 7:19 AM
5D3 looks like a hit for the wildlife photographers but not sure about us landscape folks. At least based on specs, price, and the sample images I am not sure it is a compelling argument over a 5D2 or D800. Looking forward to seeing what happens as these new generation cameras get into the field.
As someone using a crop sensor and sitting on the fence about where/when/how to move to FF I was hoping Canon would launch a 5D3 that would make the decision easy but the waters seem muddier than ever. Not that I think one can really go wrong with any of the models, but each option (5D2, 5D3, D700, D800) seems to have some pluses and minuses.
I am looking forward to seeing comparison images (5Dm2 vs 5Dm3) before passing judgment since I would really love to buy an upgrade. But at this time better video, more AF points, faster fps = 'who cares'. I woudnt mind the better sensor but I would mind the increase in weight since the 5Dm2 is a beast in itself.
I wouldnt expect to see a mass exodus from current 5Dm2 owners at this point.
RichieV
Posted by Bill Pelzmann on March 2, 2012 at 10:53 AM
John,
Here are some interesting details on the new DPP Digital Photo Professional software:
New Digital Lens Optimizer – unique to this sofware (Adobe doesn’t have it, nor does Apple or DXo)
It has a database for 29 compatible lenses initially, including:
Spherical aberration
Astigmatism
Sagittal Halo
Curvature of field
Chromatic aberration (both kinds)
diffraction
Effects of a low pass filter on a CMOS sensor
And this will be available for all EOS RAW files for cameras released since 2006!
So, this should be an interesting comparison, although I really hate the idea of running images through another piece of software first.
A big surprise is that Canon will keep the 5D2 in their lineup!
I always assumed it would be discontinued immediately.
Posted by Karl Buiter on March 2, 2012 at 11:06 AM
I jumped on the preorder bandwagon.
As a 7D owner who has been looking to move to FF, this should meet my needs rather well. Among the easy likes - the 7D-like interface layout and 1Dx AF. If I did already own a 5DM2, I might not be so fast on the purchase.
We'll see on the actual noise reduction - but already some of the 12800 ISO samples I have seen from reviewers looks impressive enough (ascough: http://blog.jeffascough.com/photographers/2012/03/canon-eos-5d-mark-iii-review.html ). I'm one to prefer exposure headroom to control dynamic elements in the shot The cam should be great for the event and offroad photography I enjoy.
There is still rumor of a high MP Canon later in the year. But like the D800, I fear that with high MP might run into the same iso/noise/dr limitations of my 7D but in FF frame size. Admittedly 36 MP is only a change of 1.2 linear ratio in sensor pixel size.
>> from Bill :
A big surprise is that Canon will keep the 5D2 in their lineup!
I always assumed it would be discontinued immediately. <<
Its a good move. At the lower price point it should bring more into FF photography
Posted by Bob Falcone on March 2, 2012 at 12:11 PM
As a 7D owner who would like to go to full frame, the 5D3 is priced WAY outta my comfort zone. I'm going to keep an eye on the 5D2 new prices, and also look for good used 5D2's at a bargain. But, from what I'm reading on this forum, there doesn't seem like too many people want to jump ship yet.
Posted by Jack Brauer on March 2, 2012 at 12:41 PM
Yeah I think I'll sit this one out. I'm still really happy with the 5D2, and though I don't follow the rumors closely, I'm hoping that Canon has a higher MP offering up its sleeve. I can't imagine that they'd let Nikon bask in its 36mp D800 glory for too long.
I knew this was coming months ago. The so called upgrades are interesting and I would love to see how the images look in real world tests. The DLO feature for the raws is compelling, but I often use Nikon and Zeiss optics with my 5Dm2, so I am sure that negates the DLO feature. The advancements in the auto focus could lead me to use the mk3 as my sports camera, too. I have lots of Canon glass I use for my sports business, so this is a good thing....for landscape photography, it means nothing. The D800E vs 5D3 will be very interesting battle. I can't wait to see those tests, along with a potential Sony upgrade. I am at the point where I would not mind changing systems...lots to think about, but lots of time before I really have the time to shoot landscape.
Posted by Pam Colander on March 2, 2012 at 1:38 PM
I am I the only one who doesn't care if my camera has video capabilities? That was one thing I really liked about the 5D.
>> from Bill : And as if by magic the 5D2's start to pop up on Craigslist. 3 of them there today and it's barely noon. <<
I imagine the wedding and portrait guys are already in full unload mode.
Posted by George Hager on March 2, 2012 at 2:45 PM
From the Nikon camp - Yaaaawn! Now, all the Canons shooters know how I have felt the last many years.
From a business standpoint, Canon has made a good decision. Like Willy Sutton, the bank robber, replied to the question as to why he robbed banks - because that's where the money is. Canon has centered their attention on a camera that will appeal to wedding, sports, journalistic and portrait photographers. That's where the money is. Unforntunately, this kind of semi- hung the landscape folks out to dry. If you can call a really good 22 meg camera be hung out to dry. 22 megs is still beyond the shooting technique most people employ so I really don't think this is anything to get all bent out of shape about. In a few years, Canon will probably come out with a 40 meg camera for landscape photographers and your patience wil be rewarded.
Thanks for the info., Bill.
I may well download v3.11 and give it a whirl.
Posted by Todd Caudle on March 3, 2012 at 11:15 AM
As someone whose first step in post-processing is to open the raw files in DPP, do minor tweaks and convert to tiff straight from there, I am thrilled at the upgrade to the software! It didn't sound like this was going to be much of an upgrade for current 5D2 owners anyway. This is akin to when I discovered I could apply Canon's picture styles and related adjustments to my old Rebel XT image files. It brought countless images into usability for me, when working on them in any other software was more hassle than they were worth.
The 5D3 looks like an impressive camera on paper but certainly not impressive enough to warrant an upgrade from my 5D2. I can see how it might be a worthwhile investment for wildlife, action or possibly even wedding photographers but for landscapists, not so much. For those who are interested I wrote a blog post titled "Why I Won't Buy the Canon 5D Mark III" explaining the rationale behind my decision.
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I'm more intrigued by the announcement that:
"New in DPP v3.11 is Digital Lens Optimizer – a revolutionary new tool designed to drastically improve image resolution. Digital Lens Optimizer (DLO) precisely imitates lens performance, with a series of complex mathematical functions replicating each stage of the journey of light through the optical path. Using this information DLO can correct a range of typical optical aberrations and loss of resolution caused by a camera’s low pass filter, by applying an inverse function to each shot to take the image nearer to how the scene appears to the naked eye."
Not that I want to start using DPP as part of my workflow, but it's an interesting idea. Canon should know better than anyone else how to process their raw files...
True, but there may be some that are ready to upgrade from the original 5D, or have worn out their 5D2. I do agree that it's appears to be a marginal upgrade over the 5D2 for someone that only shoots landscapes.
DLO does sound very interesting!
The claim is 2 stops better noise - in JPEG.
So, I have to assume much of this is done in processing?
Don't know how much of it will be passed on to the street price.
As someone using a crop sensor and sitting on the fence about where/when/how to move to FF I was hoping Canon would launch a 5D3 that would make the decision easy but the waters seem muddier than ever. Not that I think one can really go wrong with any of the models, but each option (5D2, 5D3, D700, D800) seems to have some pluses and minuses.
I guess we will see more by summer.
I'd take a very close look at the prices of used 5Dm2's in two or three months...
I wouldnt expect to see a mass exodus from current 5Dm2 owners at this point.
RichieV
Here are some interesting details on the new DPP Digital Photo Professional software:
New Digital Lens Optimizer – unique to this sofware (Adobe doesn’t have it, nor does Apple or DXo)
It has a database for 29 compatible lenses initially, including:
Spherical aberration
Astigmatism
Sagittal Halo
Curvature of field
Chromatic aberration (both kinds)
diffraction
Effects of a low pass filter on a CMOS sensor
And this will be available for all EOS RAW files for cameras released since 2006!
So, this should be an interesting comparison, although I really hate the idea of running images through another piece of software first.
A big surprise is that Canon will keep the 5D2 in their lineup!
I always assumed it would be discontinued immediately.
As a 7D owner who has been looking to move to FF, this should meet my needs rather well. Among the easy likes - the 7D-like interface layout and 1Dx AF. If I did already own a 5DM2, I might not be so fast on the purchase.
We'll see on the actual noise reduction - but already some of the 12800 ISO samples I have seen from reviewers looks impressive enough (ascough: http://blog.jeffascough.com/photographers/2012/03/canon-eos-5d-mark-iii-review.html ). I'm one to prefer exposure headroom to control dynamic elements in the shot The cam should be great for the event and offroad photography I enjoy.
There is still rumor of a high MP Canon later in the year. But like the D800, I fear that with high MP might run into the same iso/noise/dr limitations of my 7D but in FF frame size. Admittedly 36 MP is only a change of 1.2 linear ratio in sensor pixel size.
>> from Bill :
A big surprise is that Canon will keep the 5D2 in their lineup!
I always assumed it would be discontinued immediately. <<
Its a good move. At the lower price point it should bring more into FF photography
I imagine the wedding and portrait guys are already in full unload mode.
From a business standpoint, Canon has made a good decision. Like Willy Sutton, the bank robber, replied to the question as to why he robbed banks - because that's where the money is. Canon has centered their attention on a camera that will appeal to wedding, sports, journalistic and portrait photographers. That's where the money is. Unforntunately, this kind of semi- hung the landscape folks out to dry. If you can call a really good 22 meg camera be hung out to dry. 22 megs is still beyond the shooting technique most people employ so I really don't think this is anything to get all bent out of shape about. In a few years, Canon will probably come out with a 40 meg camera for landscape photographers and your patience wil be rewarded.
I may well download v3.11 and give it a whirl.