Posted by Andy Shepherd on March 25, 2012 at 8:10 AM
One from the other morning, Pheasant portrait.
1/500th @ f5.6 -2/3rds iso1250 ( 95% of FF )
Please view the large version.
Thanks for the feedback on my last Pheasant image and thanks for the processing advice SK.
After SK noticed that my last Pheasant image was carrying a RGB profile, I wonder if some of you would check this one out for me.
When I convert my RAW's in DPP they are automatically saved as an sRGB TIF, this is then dropped into CS2 and processed. To make sure I have the right colour space for web use I always convert to profile ( sRGB ) as the last action before I save the file. Is it possible that when I save for web the colour space is changing?.
There are some more shots on the blog for those interested.
Andy...
Posted by John Robinson on March 25, 2012 at 8:13 AM
Andy
No idea about colour space but it looks spot on to me .
Corker !
JR
Posted by David Sewell on March 25, 2012 at 8:18 AM
Hi Andy,
It's carrying a sRGB profile according to information here, so perhaps the last one simply slipped through the system. Fine portrait by the way.
David
Posted by Neil Burton on March 25, 2012 at 9:47 AM
Hi David, can you tell me how you checked it, as it shows untagged profile in PS, unless by 'drag & drop' it changes things, be good to know, thanks.
Hi Andy a fine looking bird, excellent detail, love the clarity/sharpness in the plumage and at ISO 1250 too, you beat me too it on this one, lol. I know it would mean some PS work to increase the BKG and I am not sure how you feel about that, but I think a 'portrait' format might work better, based on the stance/profile of the bird.
I can forward a link I wrote for conversion to web elsewhere if that helps, drop me a line if you want.
VWD
TFS
Steve
Posted by Rene de Heer on March 25, 2012 at 10:02 AM
Looks fine to me. Great colours and pinpoint sharp.
Rene de Heer
Posted by Guy Rogers on March 25, 2012 at 10:10 AM
Hello Andy.
Lovely portrait and a very pleasing background.
Posted by Malcolm Muir on March 25, 2012 at 12:17 PM
Nice portrait.
Posted by Dave Bartlett on March 25, 2012 at 3:47 PM
Great colours and details. It looks spot on from here
Pretty bird - but being (very!) picky, the slight 'smudge' of feathers at the bottom does draw the eye.
To make sure I have the right colour space for web use I always convert to profile ( sRGB ) as the last action before I save the file. Is it possible that when I save for web the colour space is changing?.
It shouldn't be changing, unless you specifically change it to something else in save-for-web (SFW). I think everything is ok - you've changed to the correct profile before saving, but you're simply not including the colour space profile when you save it. That means the image file is in the right colour profile, but that you've simply missed including the profile 'tag' in the file. The image will in 99% of cases display correctly for most people.
When you embed the color profile in the image, you're simply leaving a tag to tell a colour aware program (like Photoshop or Safari) what profile is in use - they then use the profile tag to display the image properly. Non-color aware programs (like Internut Explorer), will tend to assume it's an sRGB anyway and don't care what the tag says even when it's there.
In future when you save a file there should be an 'embed color profile' box somewhere on the save-for-web dialog box - tick that and everything should be OK. In fact, if you're already converting to sRGB, there's no need to use SFW, simply "file->save-as" and select jpeg, pick the quality you want, and save it (again - tick the 'embed colour profile' check box).
(Stephen, FWIW, It looks like you're using Apple's Aperture or iPhoto, & the 'Color Model' field shown in the screen grab you uploaded (on Andy's previous photo) only shows either 'CMYK', 'RGB' or 'Gray' - it doesn't state the explicit profile being used. To find the profile in use, you need to look at the 'Profile name' field - which in this case was showing 'untagged'.)
Nick FWIW I use PS (CS5) as PS is the base level software that most people use.
In Andy's previous posting I questioned the Profile, as PS highlighted RGB untagged. In this posting it still showed untagged, hence my question to David on how he confirmed it was sRGB. Quite simply, if you have the right size file ready to go, Edit > Convert to profile and ensure Source space is RGB and Destination Space is sRGB..., then go Save for Web no issues, and everything irrespective of Browser used is shown in the best way, no colour shifts etc and any suggestions/critiquing/advice is based on an almost identical image to the one the owner posted IMHO.
Sorry Stephen. I rarely ever have need to use bridge/minibridge in CS5 and your screenshot looked like the info panel in Aperture/iPhoto (nice to see Adobe is copying apple's styling ).
BTW If you're using 'save-for-web' then you don't need to do the separate step of 'edit->convert to profile' beforehand - you can do it from within the save for web dialogue box and save yourself a few mouse clicks.
Posted by Nick Mckeown on March 26, 2012 at 1:45 PM
Hi Andy, seem to have missed this one for some reason, apologies for not commenting sooner. No idea what everyone is talking about re profiles, tagged or otherwise but that is a phantastic pheasant image! (just had to clean me laptop screen! )
Nick.
Posted by Andy Shepherd on March 26, 2012 at 5:56 PM
Thanks for the feedback
And thanks for the feedback re the colour space guys
Discussion
17 replies1/500th @ f5.6 -2/3rds iso1250 ( 95% of FF )
Please view the large version.
Thanks for the feedback on my last Pheasant image and thanks for the processing advice SK.
After SK noticed that my last Pheasant image was carrying a RGB profile, I wonder if some of you would check this one out for me.
When I convert my RAW's in DPP they are automatically saved as an sRGB TIF, this is then dropped into CS2 and processed. To make sure I have the right colour space for web use I always convert to profile ( sRGB ) as the last action before I save the file. Is it possible that when I save for web the colour space is changing?.
There are some more shots on the blog for those interested.
Andy...
No idea about colour space but it looks spot on to me .
Corker !
JR
It's carrying a sRGB profile according to information here, so perhaps the last one simply slipped through the system. Fine portrait by the way.
David
EDIT: not sure now.
Hi Andy a fine looking bird, excellent detail, love the clarity/sharpness in the plumage and at ISO 1250 too, you beat me too it on this one, lol. I know it would mean some PS work to increase the BKG and I am not sure how you feel about that, but I think a 'portrait' format might work better, based on the stance/profile of the bird.
I can forward a link I wrote for conversion to web elsewhere if that helps, drop me a line if you want.
VWD
TFS
Steve
Rene de Heer
Lovely portrait and a very pleasing background.
Dave
On second look, I did notice the smudgy bit at the bottom below the eye. I guess that was OOF foliage, but no big deal.
Keith.
It shouldn't be changing, unless you specifically change it to something else in save-for-web (SFW). I think everything is ok - you've changed to the correct profile before saving, but you're simply not including the colour space profile when you save it. That means the image file is in the right colour profile, but that you've simply missed including the profile 'tag' in the file. The image will in 99% of cases display correctly for most people.
When you embed the color profile in the image, you're simply leaving a tag to tell a colour aware program (like Photoshop or Safari) what profile is in use - they then use the profile tag to display the image properly. Non-color aware programs (like Internut Explorer), will tend to assume it's an sRGB anyway and don't care what the tag says even when it's there.
In future when you save a file there should be an 'embed color profile' box somewhere on the save-for-web dialog box - tick that and everything should be OK. In fact, if you're already converting to sRGB, there's no need to use SFW, simply "file->save-as" and select jpeg, pick the quality you want, and save it (again - tick the 'embed colour profile' check box).
(Stephen, FWIW, It looks like you're using Apple's Aperture or iPhoto, & the 'Color Model' field shown in the screen grab you uploaded (on Andy's previous photo) only shows either 'CMYK', 'RGB' or 'Gray' - it doesn't state the explicit profile being used. To find the profile in use, you need to look at the 'Profile name' field - which in this case was showing 'untagged'.)
HTH
In Andy's previous posting I questioned the Profile, as PS highlighted RGB untagged. In this posting it still showed untagged, hence my question to David on how he confirmed it was sRGB. Quite simply, if you have the right size file ready to go, Edit > Convert to profile and ensure Source space is RGB and Destination Space is sRGB..., then go Save for Web no issues, and everything irrespective of Browser used is shown in the best way, no colour shifts etc and any suggestions/critiquing/advice is based on an almost identical image to the one the owner posted IMHO.
Just my take on things too.
Oscar
BTW If you're using 'save-for-web' then you don't need to do the separate step of 'edit->convert to profile' beforehand - you can do it from within the save for web dialogue box and save yourself a few mouse clicks.
Nick.
Thanks for the feedback
And thanks for the feedback re the colour space guys
Andy...