Now I really do read and learn from this forum albeit it takes a while to stick sometimes. I'm a bit of a rebel without a cause so try the wrong way to test it.
I needed to break loose yesterday and early morning visited Rye Harbour looking for Turns from the hide I used last year. Bright sunshine and plenty of gulls. Having read comments here about two birds featured in an image being a NO NO I thought I'd try.
I know they are central but that's me shooting I'd be interested to know your views if you have time.
Canon 1D3 on a tripod with a full gimbal and I'm impressed Canon 800mm ISO 400 1/250 sec f/11. Subject distance 21.1 M 69.63 feet I haven't gone metric yet. RAW to Lightroom then resized to post.
Critique, Comments and Advice most welcome and thanks for looking.
Posted by Nick Mckeown on May 17, 2012 at 12:03 PM
The two birds together look good to me Barry. As both birds are looking to our left I would crop the right hand side thus giving space to the birds left. It may be a trick of the eye with the shingle spit but it looks as though a slight clockwise adjustment is needed. If you could also lighten the head of the rear bird to bring a little more detail out. Nice and sharp and they are quite attractive gulls.
think nick is spot on with the advice, two subjects is fine i think as long as one is not a disraction and they compliment each other
Posted by Rene de Heer on May 18, 2012 at 11:00 AM
Barry I am going disagree with the comments. I think 2 birds in the frame is nice but would prefer it if they were not entangled in each other unless it is a massive flock where you can't avoid it. Saying that the suggested crop and other suggestion from Nick might help to make the image better.
Rene de Heer
No problem this is just what I was seeking different opinions. As I mentioned I'd read comments previously with reference to two subjects within an image. I was trying to understand the reasoning rather than just accept the decision on face value.
Whats wrong with two birds in the same frame...? Heck displaying, mating behaviour...
Yes the image would benefit from the two gulls being a bit more separate and the composition is a touch central, but if you don't try, then post and get the comments you never will learn..
Maybe crop a bit from the top and a bit from the right to place the pair of gulls around the upper right third intersection?
On the processing side I think the whites need to be backed of a bit and the shadows increased, which version of Lightroom are you using?
I'm using Lightroom 3.6 with limited ability. These two went on to mate all duly recorded all good action. I didn't want to monopolise the posting with my efforts.
Always good to have more than one bird in the frame especially if they are all sharp. Composition wise I would crop a little from the bottom and RHS of the frame. I would also try and lift the shadow detail a little to lighten the bird at the rear and the water.
Works for me this is nature you cannot get what you want sometimes and have to frame and work with what your given. Lovely light catchlight brings the birds to life for me
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10 repliesI needed to break loose yesterday and early morning visited Rye Harbour looking for Turns from the hide I used last year. Bright sunshine and plenty of gulls. Having read comments here about two birds featured in an image being a NO NO I thought I'd try.
I know they are central but that's me shooting I'd be interested to know your views if you have time.
Canon 1D3 on a tripod
Critique, Comments and Advice most welcome and thanks for looking.
Nick.
I don't see any problem with two birds in a shot .
JR
Rene de Heer
No problem this is just what I was seeking different opinions. As I mentioned I'd read comments previously with reference to two subjects within an image. I was trying to understand the reasoning rather than just accept the decision on face value.
Keith.
Yes the image would benefit from the two gulls being a bit more separate and the composition is a touch central, but if you don't try, then post and get the comments you never will learn..
Maybe crop a bit from the top and a bit from the right to place the pair of gulls around the upper right third intersection?
On the processing side I think the whites need to be backed of a bit and the shadows increased, which version of Lightroom are you using?
I'm still feet and inches too....
I'm using Lightroom 3.6 with limited ability. These two went on to mate all duly recorded all good action. I didn't want to monopolise the posting with my efforts.
David