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What IS this????????????

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Posted by SandyRichardsBrown on July 7, 2012 at 1:56 AM
What IS this????????????
At Baylands yesterday, a watery, marshy nature preserve in Palo Alto, some kids started screaming "Shark!!"

Well, it's not a shark, but what is it?

Swimming upstream against receeding tide
at least 5 miles from bay leading to ocean
note the size of the bird - the fins were at least 3 ft high and 2 feet across. Maybe 8-10 feet long?
At low tide, this area will have about 2 feet depth of water, and parts of the "river" will be with NO water

I'm guessing some kind of ray? But ..but..it's HUGE
Posted by SandyRichardsBrown on July 7, 2012 at 1:56 AM
another view
Posted by SandyRichardsBrown on July 7, 2012 at 1:57 AM
one more, showing the path it took to get there
Posted by Ray Whitt on July 7, 2012 at 8:12 AM
Seen this before in waters near San Francisco, I believe it is a stingray.

Ray
Posted by Vincent Grafhorst on July 7, 2012 at 12:35 PM
I first thought seal, but that cannot be looking at the other images. I would believe stingray.
Posted by Mike Ramy on July 7, 2012 at 1:27 PM
Sandy,
Yours are a pair Dorsal Fins belonging to a pair of Porpoises from what I see in your pics. Rays and Mantas have no dorsal fins so you can rule them out. I am not sure about porpoises but the Bottle Nose Dolphins have a feeding habit of coming up fresh water rivers from the ocean in pods of two to twelve during low tide. They work as a group and heard schools of fish into the shallows then one dolphin will swim in a circle around the school with an unusual tail motion, slapping the water and churning up the silt on the bottom of the river creating a muddy ring around the school of fish to corral them inside. Then that dolphin will swim half way back around and turn into the center of the circle at the school. For some reason the fish will not swim thru the the muddy water but jump out and over it and into the mouths of the waiting dolphins that have positioned themselves perfectly. If this is also a habit with porpoises it would explain why they were there. I included a pic I took last year in florida of two dolpins in the shallows of a river real similar to yours.
Posted by Mike Ramy on July 7, 2012 at 1:27 PM
Another Pic
Posted by Mike Ramy on July 7, 2012 at 1:28 PM
Another Pic
Posted by Mike Ramy on July 7, 2012 at 1:30 PM
One More, I will post a real cool shot of the actual feeding in the wildlife section.
Posted by SandyRichardsBrown on July 7, 2012 at 1:33 PM
Mike, the fin looks different to me than your dolphins - and the fins stayed the same distance apart with every shot.
I'm thinking a ray..
Sandy
Posted by Nick Baldwin on July 7, 2012 at 1:38 PM
Based on size and where you shot it, I would hazard a guess it is Bat Ray (Myliobatis californica )Maximum size is just over 200 lbs. and about 5 feet wide. In shallow waters or around bars they are often seen "flying" that is moving the pectoral fins up and down bringing the tips out of the water. They need very little water to navigate.
Have a great weekend.
Posted by Rick Turner on July 7, 2012 at 2:50 PM
Sting Ray ~
Posted by Mike Ramy on July 7, 2012 at 2:54 PM
Sandy,
I said your fins look like they belong to porpoises, my pics are dolphins, I just posted two additional pics in wildlife of them feeding.
The Ray theory would have your two objects moving up and down or in and out of the water in a flapping of the wings motion, did you notice this at all or where they just moving thru the water like a dorsal fin would do?
Posted by SandyRichardsBrown on July 7, 2012 at 3:59 PM
Yes, they were kind of flapping slowly.
Sandy
Posted by Steve Uffman on July 7, 2012 at 7:34 PM
Ray....
Posted by jack jaeger jr on July 7, 2012 at 9:45 PM
I have seen these alot in the lower Chesapeake bay , Rays very active like this in the shallows during mateing season.
Posted by Jim DeWitt on July 8, 2012 at 1:07 AM
From your description of how the two "fins" moved, it's a Bat Ray, Myliobatis californica. It's the right habitat, too. I've seen them as far up as the sloughs around Stockton.
Posted by Bill Chambers on July 9, 2012 at 3:13 PM
I would guess some type of ray, although not a sting ray. I'm not familiar with rays, skates, etc. over on your side of the country, but I would say definitely not a porpoise/dolphin or sting/manta ray.
Posted by Charlie VanTassel on July 13, 2012 at 9:42 PM
I can't remember if the Batmobile can be driven underwater....??? :confused:

It's a Bat Ray