I recently upgraded my very robust Dell PC to Windows 7. I use a Dell 2410 monitor that has been calibrated using Spyder Pro3 (frequently). When posting images to the web, my web versions are too saturated, and the reds & blues are really shifted significantly.
The problem seems to be in CS5, when I "save for web & devices" & check the sRGB box so it's saved in that profile. If I uncheck that box, they look great. I've loaded a couple of images that are saved as Adobe RGB & another as sRGB. I've also got a screen shot of my color settings.
I'm shooting raw format with a 5DIII, but the problem also occurs if I use raw files from a 5DII. It also happens whether I us ACR or Lightroom 4.1 to initially process the photo - all the issues occur in CS5 when converting the profile to sRGB. When I pull the images over from Lightroom they are Adobe RGB 1998 prior to the conversion.
All other photos on this site and others look great on my monitor. There is only an issue when I generate the jpg files in that color profile.
Any ideas on what to try? I'm about to tear my hair out! I don't know if this is related to Windows 7 or not.
That's got a lot of good info, but my problem is in first generating the sRGB file - it's shifted significantly on whatever monitor or screen you look at it.
I don't know if this will make a difference, but it's worth a try...
Open the image in PS
Tweak it, Size it, Sharpen, etc.
Layer>Flatten (if needed)
Go to Edit>Convert to Profile
Choose sRGB
Click OK.
Next...
Select File>Save for Web...
In the Save for Web dialog, check the box, 'Embed Color Profile'
Make other settings as needed
Save the file.
The above is the workflow I use on my Win 7 box with CS5 and I don't see the radical shifts you're seeing.
--P
Posted by Wayne Jones on August 9, 2012 at 3:28 PM
Wick,
One more variable I don't think you mentioned is the browser you are using. I also have big problems with colors if I view photos using Windows Explorer using my wide-gamut monitor (not so bad with a normal monitor). However, photos look MUCH more natural on the wide-gamut monitor when I view them using Mozilla Firefox as the browser, which -- unlike Windows Explorer -- is color-managed (from what I hear). Now, I wonder what other people see when I post an image, because it depends on the kind of monitor they have, as well as which browser they use. UGH! As a result, I am very careful about saturation, since wide-gamut viewers who use Windows Explorer are probably seeing those "fantasy land" oversaturated images that many people seem to like, but I find annoying.
That may not solve your problem, but it may help you understand it. I am still wondering what I can do about it, so I'll be watching for more posts here.
Posted by Keith Bauer on August 9, 2012 at 4:22 PM
Wick:
I downloaded the two files you posted. The one that is marked sRGB does NOT have a color profile embedded in it. Opening it in CS5, and assigning a profile of sRGB makes it looks just like the Adobe RGB file (which does have a profile embedded in it.).
Edit: You should turn on the check boxes to have Photoshop notify you when there are profile mismatches or missing profiles. Those are in the color management policies section of the dialog box you posted.
Edit: You should turn on the check boxes to have Photoshop notify you when there are profile mismatches or missing profiles. Those are in the color management policies section of the dialog box you posted.
Wick, as Keith mentions this is an item that I find invaluable in working with images in various states. It has kept me out of trouble many times in the past.
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6 repliesThe problem seems to be in CS5, when I "save for web & devices" & check the sRGB box so it's saved in that profile. If I uncheck that box, they look great. I've loaded a couple of images that are saved as Adobe RGB & another as sRGB. I've also got a screen shot of my color settings.
http://www.btophotos.com/test/
I'm shooting raw format with a 5DIII, but the problem also occurs if I use raw files from a 5DII. It also happens whether I us ACR or Lightroom 4.1 to initially process the photo - all the issues occur in CS5 when converting the profile to sRGB. When I pull the images over from Lightroom they are Adobe RGB 1998 prior to the conversion.
All other photos on this site and others look great on my monitor. There is only an issue when I generate the jpg files in that color profile.
Any ideas on what to try? I'm about to tear my hair out! I don't know if this is related to Windows 7 or not.
Have you checked out this NPN discussion on how wide-gamut monitors, browsers, and profiles interact?
I don't know if this will make a difference, but it's worth a try...
Open the image in PS
Tweak it, Size it, Sharpen, etc.
Layer>Flatten (if needed)
Go to Edit>Convert to Profile
Choose sRGB
Click OK.
Next...
Select File>Save for Web...
In the Save for Web dialog, check the box, 'Embed Color Profile'
Make other settings as needed
Save the file.
The above is the workflow I use on my Win 7 box with CS5 and I don't see the radical shifts you're seeing.
--P
One more variable I don't think you mentioned is the browser you are using. I also have big problems with colors if I view photos using Windows Explorer using my wide-gamut monitor (not so bad with a normal monitor). However, photos look MUCH more natural on the wide-gamut monitor when I view them using Mozilla Firefox as the browser, which -- unlike Windows Explorer -- is color-managed (from what I hear). Now, I wonder what other people see when I post an image, because it depends on the kind of monitor they have, as well as which browser they use. UGH! As a result, I am very careful about saturation, since wide-gamut viewers who use Windows Explorer are probably seeing those "fantasy land" oversaturated images that many people seem to like, but I find annoying.
That may not solve your problem, but it may help you understand it. I am still wondering what I can do about it, so I'll be watching for more posts here.
I downloaded the two files you posted. The one that is marked sRGB does NOT have a color profile embedded in it. Opening it in CS5, and assigning a profile of sRGB makes it looks just like the Adobe RGB file (which does have a profile embedded in it.).
Edit: You should turn on the check boxes to have Photoshop notify you when there are profile mismatches or missing profiles. Those are in the color management policies section of the dialog box you posted.
Wick, as Keith mentions this is an item that I find invaluable in working with images in various states. It has kept me out of trouble many times in the past.