Posted by Doug Koepsel on September 10, 2012 at 11:48 PM
During the Labor Day week, I was able to spend 4 nights above the Vermilion Cliffs at one of my favorite locations. This is a stitch of 4 vertical images. Nikon D90, 16-35mm @16mm, f/8, ISO 200
As always, your suggestions and opinions are appreciated. I am interested in your opinion about the crop regarding the amount of water and sky.
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Posted by Peter Coskun on September 11, 2012 at 12:10 AM
My first suggestion is that you bring me up here sometime
This is very nice Doug, I love the drama in the sky and how the formations almost play counterpoint with the clouds. I think with this I would have preferred a lower angle to include the entire pool of water, but I think I know why you chose not too. Is it really hard to get something bad from here?
Posted by Adam Schallau on September 11, 2012 at 12:39 AM
I think this image is an excellent candidate for conversion to black & white!
Posted by Debbie Yarra on September 11, 2012 at 1:06 AM
Cool Photo! Like it all, including the crop. I think Adam is right this would look great in B and W!.
Posted by Dean Sauskojus on September 11, 2012 at 2:32 PM
After looking at it for awhile I think there is to much water and as dark as it is my eye gets stuck there. I think your intention is to have the rock formation as your main subject so I wouldn't hesitate to cut the sky too making this even more of a pan image and putting the emphasis back on the rock formations. With a little less competition between the elements this is a great image Doug.
Posted by Pam Colander on September 11, 2012 at 2:52 PM
Love how the swirl of the cliffs and the clouds mimic each other. The crop looks good to me.
Posted by Morris McClung on September 11, 2012 at 6:00 PM
Another vote for more water and trying a conversion. Still, a fine image.
Posted by Chikku Baiju on September 11, 2012 at 10:42 PM
Haha me and Peter said the same thing,"Take us here" As I said on fb, this is an excellent shot. I also vote for a b&w conversion.
Posted by Doug Koepsel on September 12, 2012 at 12:11 AM
Here is a B&W conversion, with a little of the pool cropped off per Dean's suggestion.
Posted by Peter Coskun on September 12, 2012 at 12:33 AM
The B&W conversion looks better (IMO). I think if you add a slight vignette to the corners you can make a bit more dramatic, and have more emphasis on the middle formation as thats where most of the drama is.
Posted by John Mumaw on September 12, 2012 at 8:10 PM
Man, you sure can't beat the advice you get in this joint!
First thing I thought when I saw this image was the 'dead pool' of water in the foreground. Alas...
But the b&w version changed everything! It really does look a lot better, IMO.
However, the 'dead pool' is still a bit too blank for me, esp. because there are reflections in there! I found 'em when I did a b&w conversion using SilverEfexPro. This makes me wonder if reflections might have been there in the original? I posted that b&w version below, along with one that brings back just a wee bit of the color. Hope you don't mind. I'll remove them immediately if you wish.
Posted by John Mumaw on September 12, 2012 at 8:11 PM
B&W
I tried to keep true with your conversion except for the water pool.
Posted by John Mumaw on September 12, 2012 at 8:12 PM
B&W with 96% Opacity
Posted by Doug Koepsel on September 13, 2012 at 10:08 AM
Thanks all on the suggestion for a B&W version. I think i like it more. Maybe I should tone down the brightness of the rock portion in the color version?
John, I have no problem at all with the "showing" of your suggestion. Bringing out the reflection and lightening the pool really helps.
I prefer the color, myself. I like the contrast between the warmth of the rock and the cool skies. Really stands out. I like what John did with the first conversion, though, bringing out some of the detail in the pool; I think that might help it from becoming "too much" of an element in the original.
My only other suggestion, if I can be so bold, is that your work is more than good enough to update your camera. Of course I can't tell any difference at this screen resolution, but while most photographers aren't as good as their cameras, I think you've outgrown a D90. Please take that as the compliment it's meant to be.
Posted by Doug Koepsel on September 18, 2012 at 7:36 PM
Mark, thank you very much for your kind compliment. I am considering the new D600 sometime this fall after some reviews come in, and trying to justify the $2k.
Discussion
15 repliesAs always, your suggestions and opinions are appreciated. I am interested in your opinion about the crop regarding the amount of water and sky.
(larger image provided)
This is very nice Doug, I love the drama in the sky and how the formations almost play counterpoint with the clouds. I think with this I would have preferred a lower angle to include the entire pool of water, but I think I know why you chose not too. Is it really hard to get something bad from here?
First thing I thought when I saw this image was the 'dead pool' of water in the foreground. Alas...
But the b&w version changed everything! It really does look a lot better, IMO.
However, the 'dead pool' is still a bit too blank for me, esp. because there are reflections in there! I found 'em when I did a b&w conversion using SilverEfexPro. This makes me wonder if reflections might have been there in the original? I posted that b&w version below, along with one that brings back just a wee bit of the color. Hope you don't mind. I'll remove them immediately if you wish.
I tried to keep true with your conversion except for the water pool.
John, I have no problem at all with the "showing" of your suggestion. Bringing out the reflection and lightening the pool really helps.
I prefer the color, myself. I like the contrast between the warmth of the rock and the cool skies. Really stands out. I like what John did with the first conversion, though, bringing out some of the detail in the pool; I think that might help it from becoming "too much" of an element in the original.
My only other suggestion, if I can be so bold, is that your work is more than good enough to update your camera. Of course I can't tell any difference at this screen resolution, but while most photographers aren't as good as their cameras, I think you've outgrown a D90. Please take that as the compliment it's meant to be.