Posted by Phil Ellard on December 11, 2012 at 5:03 PM
Well no.2 and my favourite (possibly I have another in the snow and 1 on a wall and 1 in a tree that i am pleased with that i may bore you with later)
Went for a Pano crop as i really felt the subjects long body position cried out for it, was big in frame so canvas added to right, Apart from off top and bottom FF if that makes sense...
As ever all C&C warmly welcomed
Posted by John Robinson on December 11, 2012 at 5:23 PM
Looks great to me. Dare I say- a few millimetres back to the left a bit? Will be interesting to see .
Cheers
JR
Phil, looking at the larger version, the pano format works.
Removing the darker shadow on the RHS really improves things, is it a figure? With some subtle adjustments overall this could be a really great image. Just check the crop on the larger version, the crop on the RHS falls short so you do get a white/dark edge towards the bottom RH corner.
Can't comment on the techs, but would have perhaps gone even to +1.67.
TFS
Steve
Posted by Phil Ellard on December 11, 2012 at 5:41 PM
Cheers, John I am sure I could try something, Steve thanks really i have no idea, it is not there on the large size TIFF but easily taken care off, would be interested in hearing what the other adjustments are, would be nice to have a great image!
Angus as you asked D800 400m @f5.6 iso 500 500/s ev+1
Posted by David Sewell on December 11, 2012 at 5:47 PM
Detail in the snow in the foreground looks just right to me, lovely shot.
David
Posted by Phil Ellard on December 11, 2012 at 5:56 PM
Thanks David, Steve just reread your comment: "Is it a figure" do you mean the darker RHS corner or dark bit just above the snow line RHS? BTW: thats just melted snow showing a branch in the BG.
Posted by David Taylor on December 11, 2012 at 6:01 PM
I like the dark patches in the snow, they give the image the illusion of the depth that is missing in a 2D image. As David S says
'lovely shot' indeed it is.
Posted by Phil Ellard on December 11, 2012 at 6:05 PM
Thanks David T, I have quickly and hastily removed them for a quick comparison, so people can compare, originally i must say i was with you as i left them in and try to keep cloning to an absolute minimum, but i will let the people decide, Steve is this more on your line of thought?
Hi Phil, I will try and expand on my thinking and rational, trust it makes sense.
I'm looking at the image and making assumptions, like we all do, as rarely are we with someone else who then posts an identical image, then you have a comparison. Nor can I see the RAW.
So, the setting looks slightly overcast, mid morning, light wasn't too bad based on the ISO and at least you do not have to deal with brilliant sunshine, which would have been the killer. I would assume also you metered on the squirrel, if not where did you meter, as that for me is the key point? I just feel you could have plussed the comp more. Forgetting the snow, I would have exposed and adjusted for the squirrel, providing you didn't blow the whites or clip them, as you can deal with the snow easily in the PP stage.
So looking at the image and all this is personal choice and based on what I SEE, I might just tweak the reds either in Curves (slight fraction) or in Selective colour, just for some richness, although the image could well be very reflective of the conditions? Likewise, fractionally adjusting the white chest & underbelly. Also opened up a little more detail in the feathery tail. Once I have got the subject looking right I would then toggle between the RAW & PS to make adjustments for the snow and therefore being able to control both elements very easily and ultimately retaining the ALL the original information of the file. Finally it's a simple case of masking, blending and 'Bobs' your granny, job done.
On the RP, removing the darker shadowy marks has helped IMHO, as there is less distraction and the key point is that you can then focus on the subject, however the snow on the ridge in that area is now lighter compared to the OP, never do things in haste, a few extra minutes will not make any difference.
Just my take on it Phil, but including the Exif data and conditions really does make a different and I think the Guidelines do request it, unless they have changed since I last read them 5+ years ago.
Posted by Andy Shepherd on December 12, 2012 at 10:58 AM
The repost is better and the pano comp works well. Like it lots, Phil.
Another dose of good advice offered by Steve once again
Andy...
Posted by Bob Johnson on December 12, 2012 at 12:55 PM
Prefer the look of the second one here Phil. I will leave PS advice to my betters but certainly try to warm and brighten up the squirrel a tadge
Still green that I could not make it
Bob
Posted by Phil Ellard on December 12, 2012 at 4:14 PM
a big to everyone who commented, John bit to the left, Steve, I have tried! Bob should suit you too, please let me know what you recon but i think it was a big help and a noticeable improvement
Posted by Andy Astbury on December 13, 2012 at 2:59 AM
Make sure to bring these RS RAWs with you too
I can see every single brush stroke you've made on this image but I'll wager you can't see a single one on the full rez.
Posted by Barry Southon on December 13, 2012 at 6:17 AM
Phil
Very nice image plus interesting comments where as half the time I just do not see the difference I'm lacking somewhere in the mix.
Posted by Nick Mckeown on December 13, 2012 at 1:25 PM
Last post looks brilliant Phil, worth the additional time spent on it.
Discussion
15 repliesWell no.2 and my favourite (possibly I have another in the snow and 1 on a wall and 1 in a tree that i am pleased with that i may bore you with later)
Went for a Pano crop as i really felt the subjects long body position cried out for it, was big in frame so canvas added to right, Apart from off top and bottom FF if that makes sense...
As ever all C&C warmly welcomed
Cheers
JR
Would be interested in the techs
Ian
Removing the darker shadow on the RHS really improves things, is it a figure? With some subtle adjustments overall this could be a really great image. Just check the crop on the larger version, the crop on the RHS falls short so you do get a white/dark edge towards the bottom RH corner.
Can't comment on the techs, but would have perhaps gone even to +1.67.
TFS
Steve
Angus as you asked D800 400m @f5.6 iso 500 500/s ev+1
David
'lovely shot' indeed it is.
I'm looking at the image and making assumptions, like we all do, as rarely are we with someone else who then posts an identical image, then you have a comparison. Nor can I see the RAW.
So, the setting looks slightly overcast, mid morning, light wasn't too bad based on the ISO and at least you do not have to deal with brilliant sunshine, which would have been the killer. I would assume also you metered on the squirrel, if not where did you meter, as that for me is the key point? I just feel you could have plussed the comp more. Forgetting the snow, I would have exposed and adjusted for the squirrel, providing you didn't blow the whites or clip them, as you can deal with the snow easily in the PP stage.
So looking at the image and all this is personal choice and based on what I SEE, I might just tweak the reds either in Curves (slight fraction) or in Selective colour, just for some richness, although the image could well be very reflective of the conditions? Likewise, fractionally adjusting the white chest & underbelly. Also opened up a little more detail in the feathery tail. Once I have got the subject looking right I would then toggle between the RAW & PS to make adjustments for the snow and therefore being able to control both elements very easily and ultimately retaining the ALL the original information of the file. Finally it's a simple case of masking, blending and 'Bobs' your granny, job done.
On the RP, removing the darker shadowy marks has helped IMHO, as there is less distraction and the key point is that you can then focus on the subject, however the snow on the ridge in that area is now lighter compared to the OP, never do things in haste, a few extra minutes will not make any difference.
Just my take on it Phil, but including the Exif data and conditions really does make a different and I think the Guidelines do request it, unless they have changed since I last read them 5+ years ago.
The repost is better and the pano comp works well. Like it lots, Phil.
Another dose of good advice offered by Steve once again
Andy...
Still green that I could not make it
Bob
I can see every single brush stroke you've made on this image but I'll wager you can't see a single one on the full rez.
Very nice image plus interesting comments where as half the time I just do not see the difference I'm lacking somewhere in the mix.
Nick.