Posted by Andy Astbury on June 18, 2013 at 3:43 AM
For those interested, PSCC became available for download at about 4am here in the UK.
You'll need to fire up AAM and update that in order to obtain CC.
I've updated one machine and CC is a separate install from CS6 but does seem to inherit your CS6 colour settings, which is handy, but doesn't inherit CS6 preferences - so that "stoooooopid" Background/Auto Save monkey-poo is active - so beware!
Once you've installed it you need to hit Update in order to pick up ACR 8.1CC in order to get the version of ACR that matches LR5 with respect to tools as well as process version.
Just had a play with the two new gimmicks; Camera Shake and the new Smart Sharpen - the latter has never impressed me, and still doesn't; and as for the former - yes, it does work, but it's no miracle cure and seems to work backwards - try it and you'll see what I mean.
However, there are some really powerful new tools that employ ACR as a smart filter for layers, and tools which appear to not only speed up the existing 32 bit float point workflow but also take it much further - I shall be having a shuffty at these a little later today but they do look really useful.
If you don't want to go with CC then don't upgrade LR4 to LR5, and stick with CS6 - you should have CS6 support in terms of updates for at least another 12-18 months.
Silly question probably, but why, if you don't want to go CC then don't upgrade LR4 to LR5?
Posted by Andy Astbury on June 18, 2013 at 6:44 AM
Hi Phil - not a silly question at all.
However, if you are into using ACR Smart Objects (which are more epic then you might think, even for wildlife and landscape photographers) then you need to have exactly the same tools in ACR as you do in LR, otherwise the process begins to stumble slightly.
ACR Smart Objects give you the ability to re-edit your RAW files from directly inside PS, and from inside a layer stack too.
The version of ACR 8 that gives background parity between LR5 and CS6 does NOT contain the NEW edit tools that are available in LR5.
LR4/CS6 with ACR 7 gives the suite user full background and GUI compatibility.
LR5/CS6 with ACR 8.1 does NOT give full GUI compatibility.
LR5/PSCC with ACR 8.1CC gives the user the full compatibility back.
It all depends on how far you want to take your workflow Phil, but if you want to take advantage of the new tools in LR5 and maintain the ability to use all techniques available to you in post processing then only PSCC will allow you to do this.
Ah I see, however, my home 'workflow' is now almost entirely Lightroom based, so the compatability issue does not crop up... Also I cannot see the museum moving to a rental model, so CS6 will possibly be our last CS version with a move to third party RAW conversion, heck I still run CS3 on one of my setups (a 1DS on a micrometer drive for stereo pairs) as I do not need all the bells and wistles of later versions, probably all we use layers for is compositing different views of specimens to the same scale...
I digress working within Lightroom solely I see no problem with an upgrade to 5, in fact I have, however if I need layers withinn lightroom I have perfect layers...
Enjoy getting 'Adobed' Andy, hope your bank account is deep . Last version I'll use will be CS6 if I update later in the year. As to Lightroom, still on V2 and hardly touched in the last few years as only occasionally use for previewing/checking focus/dof if doing some tethered shooting!
The bank manager likes me being a dinosaur... Adobe don't
Posted by Andy Astbury on June 18, 2013 at 7:49 AM
Hi Phil - LR5 does make a very good stand-alone process workflow, there's no getting away from that.
I've managed to find a hotel a mile up Euston Road from Drummond St. and they're paying for it now so problem solved - just got the pain-in-the-ass drive down to London early doors Monday and then back Tuesday night - no prizes for guessing where I'll be on Wednesday!
Posted by Andy Astbury on June 18, 2013 at 8:20 AM
Well now Nicky the Diplodocus - different strokes for different folks matey!
Having never forked out for PS myself (someone else used to do that for me), and having been on the monthly sub to CS6 since its inception for the princely sum of under £18 per month; AND considering I earn good dough showing folk how to use it; I see very little evidence of being "Adobe'd" in my own bank account.
Yep, if they put the monthly sub up to something silly then I'll be looking elsewhere for layers,channel,masking and blend modes - but they'll lose all their customer base overnight anyway so more fool them!
As I said, different strokes an' all - but financially it's a damn bargain for me considering where 70% of my income comes from.
I'm as fiscally astute as you my old son if not more so, but for me to adopt your attitude WOULD be financially damaging to me!
So take it from me Nick, I for one am not getting screwed over by Adobe - not at the moment at any rate; and as long as I make a profit on my monthly investment then it'll remain that way.
But I can see the other side of the coin quite clearly - after all, Hitler didn't lease his Panzers did he
Andy it will not be if but when they put it up and how much they want.
Phil.
Posted by Andy Astbury on June 18, 2013 at 9:08 AM
Isn't that what I said Phil..? 5th line down in case you missed it?
Personally I think the new bits 'n bobs should be classed as updates to LR4 and CS6, not paid for upgrades - but then that's just my thoughts and I don't run Adobe.
I think what they have done is slightly barmy, and they have stuck two metaphorical fingers up to perpetual licence holders but there's bugger all anyone can do about it. Boycotting the upgrades will serve no purpose as far too many users globally are going with the flow.
It all comes down to money and whether you make a profit out of using Photoshop or not - I do - most don't.
There's definitely room for the development of a PS alternate - I myself only use about 2% of Photoshop, the rest being Lightroom work flow; and there's been a few mutterings and mumblings on various forums that senior developers might come up with something new for photographers - perhaps LR in combo with Layers Channels Masking and Blend modes - who knows?
But for the moment at least, we're stuck with what we've got!
'There's definitely room for the development of a PS alternate - I myself only use about 2% of Photoshop, the rest being Lightroom work flow; and there's been a few mutterings and mumblings on various forums that senior developers might come up with something new for photographers - perhaps LR in combo with Layers Channels Masking and Blend modes - who knows?'
OnOnes Perfect Layers does that Andy... Its what I use when I need to use layers now, it is part of their photo suite, but at one time it was a free download, however it looks like it only comes in their Lightroom or Aperture Packs, mind still cheaper than Photoshop at $100...
Phil
Posted by Andy Astbury on June 18, 2013 at 9:46 AM
Now far be it for me to care at all but am i not right in thinking that PS CS6 cost 800 quid, or thereabouts. So you buy that, and every year or so you have to pay 200 quid for an upgrade. That is a grand for CS6 and CS7(if it were to exist). Now Adobe are asking for 216 quid a year, includes upgrades and so forth. I am not quite sure why the world is crying foul. Sure some people buy it and never upgrade, but buying the basic package is the same as a 4 year subscription... which gets you upgrades. If you paid for CS6 then CC is same price as an upgrade.
Am I missing something?
Yes prices might go up, but by how much will be the decider.
Well Neil for your £600/800 you get the software to use as long as you like with the CC you get nowt, stop paying and the only thing you get is fresh air.
Phil.
Ps why would upgrade every year do you change your cameras every year
Some people do upgrade every version, some don't, horses for courses.
But we live in an age of monthly payments. Mobile line rental, phone line rental, broadband, gas, electric, TV... you stop paying you lose them. I see Adobe's move as being nothing more than an evolution to the modern world, maybe I am wrong, have been before ;) .The problem is alot of businesses will be saving money on this model, over static licenses, so it will be taken up and exist for a while to come. I am almost sure that other companies will follow.
Posted by Andy Astbury on June 20, 2013 at 5:31 AM
With a perpetual licence you do get to use it as long as you like - but with the caveat of Adobe continuing to offer platform support in the form of updates.
Will CS6 have "Blue" platform support - who knows?
There's lot's of variables to consider that are outside Adobes control - platform manufacturers have to keep pace with processor dev etc.
So hardware developers force platform developers to "keep up" which in turn forces 3rd party software developers to do the same; who also have to try and keep an element of backwards compatibility going - which costs money.
Not that I'm making excuses for Adobe 'cos I'm most definitely NOT!
But one does have to take everything into account before making an educated decision.
Each and every one of us has different circumstances, and different Photoshop needs - but I can tell you one thing, after using CC for the last 48 hours I wouldn't want to revert back to CS6 in a hurry; but that is only for my own work flow techniques.
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15 repliesYou'll need to fire up AAM and update that in order to obtain CC.
I've updated one machine and CC is a separate install from CS6 but does seem to inherit your CS6 colour settings, which is handy, but doesn't inherit CS6 preferences - so that "stoooooopid" Background/Auto Save monkey-poo is active - so beware!
Once you've installed it you need to hit Update in order to pick up ACR 8.1CC in order to get the version of ACR that matches LR5 with respect to tools as well as process version.
Just had a play with the two new gimmicks; Camera Shake and the new Smart Sharpen - the latter has never impressed me, and still doesn't; and as for the former - yes, it does work, but it's no miracle cure and seems to work backwards - try it and you'll see what I mean.
However, there are some really powerful new tools that employ ACR as a smart filter for layers, and tools which appear to not only speed up the existing 32 bit float point workflow but also take it much further - I shall be having a shuffty at these a little later today but they do look really useful.
If you don't want to go with CC then don't upgrade LR4 to LR5, and stick with CS6 - you should have CS6 support in terms of updates for at least another 12-18 months.
However, if you are into using ACR Smart Objects (which are more epic then you might think, even for wildlife and landscape photographers) then you need to have exactly the same tools in ACR as you do in LR, otherwise the process begins to stumble slightly.
ACR Smart Objects give you the ability to re-edit your RAW files from directly inside PS, and from inside a layer stack too.
The version of ACR 8 that gives background parity between LR5 and CS6 does NOT contain the NEW edit tools that are available in LR5.
LR4/CS6 with ACR 7 gives the suite user full background and GUI compatibility.
LR5/CS6 with ACR 8.1 does NOT give full GUI compatibility.
LR5/PSCC with ACR 8.1CC gives the user the full compatibility back.
It all depends on how far you want to take your workflow Phil, but if you want to take advantage of the new tools in LR5 and maintain the ability to use all techniques available to you in post processing then only PSCC will allow you to do this.
I digress working within Lightroom solely I see no problem with an upgrade to 5, in fact I have, however if I need layers withinn lightroom I have perfect layers...
Did you get sorted for the start of next week?
All the best
Phil
The bank manager likes me being a dinosaur... Adobe don't
I've managed to find a hotel a mile up Euston Road from Drummond St. and they're paying for it now so problem solved - just got the pain-in-the-ass drive down to London early doors Monday and then back Tuesday night - no prizes for guessing where I'll be on Wednesday!
Having never forked out for PS myself (someone else used to do that for me), and having been on the monthly sub to CS6 since its inception for the princely sum of under £18 per month; AND considering I earn good dough showing folk how to use it; I see very little evidence of being "Adobe'd" in my own bank account.
Yep, if they put the monthly sub up to something silly then I'll be looking elsewhere for layers,channel,masking and blend modes - but they'll lose all their customer base overnight anyway so more fool them!
As I said, different strokes an' all - but financially it's a damn bargain for me considering where 70% of my income comes from.
I'm as fiscally astute as you my old son if not more so, but for me to adopt your attitude WOULD be financially damaging to me!
So take it from me Nick, I for one am not getting screwed over by Adobe - not at the moment at any rate; and as long as I make a profit on my monthly investment then it'll remain that way.
But I can see the other side of the coin quite clearly - after all, Hitler didn't lease his Panzers did he
Phil.
Personally I think the new bits 'n bobs should be classed as updates to LR4 and CS6, not paid for upgrades - but then that's just my thoughts and I don't run Adobe.
I think what they have done is slightly barmy, and they have stuck two metaphorical fingers up to perpetual licence holders but there's bugger all anyone can do about it. Boycotting the upgrades will serve no purpose as far too many users globally are going with the flow.
It all comes down to money and whether you make a profit out of using Photoshop or not - I do - most don't.
There's definitely room for the development of a PS alternate - I myself only use about 2% of Photoshop, the rest being Lightroom work flow; and there's been a few mutterings and mumblings on various forums that senior developers might come up with something new for photographers - perhaps LR in combo with Layers Channels Masking and Blend modes - who knows?
But for the moment at least, we're stuck with what we've got!
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OnOnes Perfect Layers does that Andy... Its what I use when I need to use layers now, it is part of their photo suite, but at one time it was a free download, however it looks like it only comes in their Lightroom or Aperture Packs, mind still cheaper than Photoshop at $100...
Phil
Am I missing something?
Yes prices might go up, but by how much will be the decider.
Phil.
Ps why would upgrade every year do you change your cameras every year
But we live in an age of monthly payments. Mobile line rental, phone line rental, broadband, gas, electric, TV... you stop paying you lose them. I see Adobe's move as being nothing more than an evolution to the modern world, maybe I am wrong, have been before ;) .The problem is alot of businesses will be saving money on this model, over static licenses, so it will be taken up and exist for a while to come. I am almost sure that other companies will follow.
Will CS6 have "Blue" platform support - who knows?
There's lot's of variables to consider that are outside Adobes control - platform manufacturers have to keep pace with processor dev etc.
So hardware developers force platform developers to "keep up" which in turn forces 3rd party software developers to do the same; who also have to try and keep an element of backwards compatibility going - which costs money.
Not that I'm making excuses for Adobe 'cos I'm most definitely NOT!
But one does have to take everything into account before making an educated decision.
Each and every one of us has different circumstances, and different Photoshop needs - but I can tell you one thing, after using CC for the last 48 hours I wouldn't want to revert back to CS6 in a hurry; but that is only for my own work flow techniques.