Punchbowl Falls - 2 Different Versions

I posted a shot from Punchbowls falls (1st of the 2) that almost works. I was looking thru the numerous shots I took and this one stands out and I think I like it better. There are no FG rocks due to the height of the water - but there was very little glare from the sky from this perspective. I usually wouldn't post so many versions from the same location, but I'm very new to shooting waterfalls and want to learn about what works. I really value the opinions of many people here and this is what these forums are for, I guess.

so.......Does these work better ? Coments appreciated.

20D
3.2s at f/16 at 30mm

And the vertical version of "Marc's Rock"

20D
4.0s at f/20 at 17mm

We have to get that damn tree out of there!

Who is on the Professional Photographers Chainsaw Committee (PPCC) ?

I hear Freddy Kreuger is the committee chairman John! He's ALWAYS willing to pick up a chainsaw for whatever reason!

Oh and about the images - I'm all over the first one for sure. The low perspective REALLY work for me. What I do when working moving water is I'll vary the expsoure time to try and capture different textures to the water and then bring em home and pick the one that works the best. For my taste - and I'm not saying anyone has to do it my way - I like shorter exposure times. More like sub second range. Say 1/30th or slower but rarely longer than a second. Try a wide range of exposure times John and decide on what works for you.

The second one just isn't as powerful for me. I'm wondering if maybe a shorter exposure could help here??? Along with a polarizer maybe?

Don't fret posting more than one image. If the cause is just - and I think it is - we can make exceptions.

I'm pretty much not all over these until we get the pre-tree conditions back again...

#1 works better. I was hoping the tree would wash out with the floods this year, but I was disappointed again. I've tried everything. Even paddling out there with a small raft (but no landing areas in front of the tree). I didn't bring the chainsaw though - it would need to be cut from the top anyway. The best shot I ever took down here was late in the year when another tree was floating in the pool, diagonally to the large fir in the water seen here. You've probably seen the shot. I thought the two complimented each other well.

Very nice John. I like the first one as well. I looked at my shots today, and I don't think mine with more foreground turned out as strong either.

John,
The first one works for me also. Even though I've seen many, many shots of these falls, for some reason I never get tired of looking at them. This area is such an awesome place.

Thanks guys, Rick I take shots at lots of different shutter times but not of every composition. I don't carry that many gigs of CF cards. Shorter shutter speeds = less DoF and I needed enough to get things sharp - I'm not a huge fan of water times slower than 1second usually.

Thanks guys for the replies !

I'll go back there later in the year when the rocks show up again

This and Wahclella are my favorite falls. I like the top one after cropping out about half of the water on the bottom. The funny thing is that once that log finally falls, there are going to be photographers all over that place like ants on a picnic! And I'll be there too, picking up crumbs! I really like the long, low perspective in #2.

I agree, the tree has got to go!