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A Proposal...

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Posted by Preston Birdwell on May 15, 2014 at 5:08 AM
I don't know why, but the word 'capture', as it relates to taking a photograph, has always bugged me. We're not really 'capturing' anything.

The proposal: Instead of using 'capture', let's use 'photograph' in it's place.

*****

Fire away! :biggrin:

--P
Posted by Stuart Williams on May 15, 2014 at 5:37 AM
preston, i thought that was the way you people in north america did it ... riding wildly across the prairies twirling a bit of rope about your heads, no?

ah, the language of photography. make, take, capture, snap, click, photograph, record, get, shoot, fire ...
Posted by Ken Smith on May 15, 2014 at 6:07 AM
tomato
Posted by Stan Wojtaszek on May 15, 2014 at 12:34 PM
If an image is "captured" then what is it when it is ultimately lost? "Escaped ?"
Posted by Howard Cheek on May 15, 2014 at 1:19 PM
You 'freeze' or 'capture' a moment in time right? It's a form of time travel..
Roll with it :biggrin:
Posted by John Tobias on May 15, 2014 at 1:20 PM
You are capturing a moment in time. I see nothing wrong with it.
Posted by Carol Hyman on May 15, 2014 at 1:47 PM
Ah, I see we all have too much time on our hands ;^) especially as we wait on the sun, the moon, the clouds, the mist to capture that perfect moment of time. :jump:
Posted by Stephen Rosenthal on May 15, 2014 at 2:01 PM
I'm down for "photograph.
Posted by Marylynne Diggs on May 15, 2014 at 2:04 PM
Between capturing sunrises and shooting people, I feel like criminal!
Posted by Marylynne Diggs on May 15, 2014 at 2:07 PM
Dang....black helicopters over my house already!
Posted by Paul DeCesare on May 15, 2014 at 4:28 PM
Technically both side are correct. We capture the image at that specific moment, but we never ever display that out of camera without even a single click of something to enhance it... sharpening, crop, saturation, something. When we do that, we turn our capture into a photograph. So in the end, Preston's right, it's a photograph. The capture is just your RAW file or film sheet.

And as we used to say back in NY, that thought and 85 cents will get me a ride on the subway. :jump:

(Anybody know what the subway costs now? Haven't been there in 20 years...)
Posted by Bruce King on May 15, 2014 at 7:38 PM
You beat me to the punch Paul. If we use the term capture then it should only apply to an unaltered version. Even point and shoots make in camera default adjustments so probably only RAW files. I like the term "grabbed".
Posted by Catherine Reilly on May 15, 2014 at 7:50 PM
I'm with Marylynne. Not too long ago, on the ferry coming into the dock, I was on the car deck-fantail, er..., < shooting > the arrival. Some very serious looking ferry security people approached me wanting to know what I was doing. "Just taking photos," I replied in all innocence, while I felt like a criminal about to be
< grabbed > < captured > and < taken > away. They just kindly informed me where on the vessel not to photograph…, and all was well.

The black helicopter should be over my house pretty soon now. :rolleyes:
Posted by Wayne Jones on May 15, 2014 at 9:13 PM
Maybe I am just used to hearing it, but I actually think "capture" is a pretty accurate term, especially when used to describe "getting" (hard not to use the word "capturing" here) the subject, timing and composition of a photograph. A good photograph is still a good capture of a moment, even though it is enhanced by processing.

I would think that people would be more likely to criticize other words used in photography. When you are overheard telling someone that you went on a shoot and fired off a burst, I bet there are people who might easily misunderstand what you are trying to convey. How many wildlife photographers have had to stop and explain what they mean when they say things like "I'm headed to the wildlife preserve to shoot birds." Every year, the Secret Service detains photographers who answer questions about their intended business by saying "I'm here to shoot the President." If that doesn't get us to change our language, I doubt that we are going to do it here! :biggrin:
Posted by Roger Clark on May 15, 2014 at 10:55 PM
photograph = capturing photons.
Posted by Preston Birdwell on May 16, 2014 at 2:36 AM
You can't 'capture' a photon because it has no mass, all that happens is it's energy is absorbed and then converted into an electrical signal at a much reduced frequency, and heat.

In any event, it appears my proposal is losing ground. Any more thoughts out there?

--P
Posted by Roger Clark on May 16, 2014 at 4:15 AM
"You can't 'capture' a photon because it has no mass, all that happens is it's energy is absorbed and then converted into an electrical signal at a much reduced frequency, and heat."

Sure you can capture a photon. It need not be mass--it is energy and one is capturing the energy. In the capture process, the photon is destroyed and the energy from the photon is used to make the image.

Roger
Posted by Preston Birdwell on May 16, 2014 at 2:15 PM
OK, I agree the energy of the photon is 'captured', but the photon is not destroyed.That would violate the law of the conservation of energy.

As I said, it's energy is absorbed by the atoms in the sensor thereby precipitating a change in their quantum energy state. Since the pixel elements in the sensor are essentially photo-transistors, the current flow that is induced has a very specific amplitude and frequency corresponding to the intensity and color of the light (photons). These signals are then converted into a digital signal that is processed by the camera, and voila! an image is formed.

So, even though the photons are 'captured', the resulting array of RGB colors that we see is a photograph.

QED

:biggrin:

--P
Posted by Mark Stahlke on May 16, 2014 at 2:41 PM
I'm with you Preston. I detest capturing images yet I love making photographs.
Posted by Lon Overacker on May 16, 2014 at 6:06 PM
Interesting and great perspectives here - I thought I would chime in. First time in ages!

This response is from someone who's very first domain and website, circa 1995, was "capturingtime.com" Initial response is that "capture" was just always a better term used in place of "taking pictures" which I think most folks associate that with snapshots.

To me, "capture" is a verb, not a noun. So for those talking about capturing moments in time, that's what it truly means to me. What capture is a photograph(noun). To photograph (verb) can be synonymous with capture, but not necessarily, ie. taking a snapshot with disposable camera is also to photograph.

Then again, it all can just be semantics. You say tamahto, I say tamayto.... ;-)

But what really wanted to jump in for is to give someone a free tip. I just checked for domain registration and both "photographingtime.com" AND "photographtime.com" are available! For those who like the "moment in time" approach, you should go grab one of those domains! I can't believe they're not already taken!

Lon
Posted by Roger Clark on May 16, 2014 at 6:43 PM
"OK, I agree the energy of the photon is 'captured', but the photon is not destroyed.That would violate the law of the conservation of energy."

There is no violation of the conservation of energy. When the photon is captured, it is destroyed, as it is no longer a photon. The energy from the photon is not destroyed; it is conserved and used to record the capture of the photon. Physicists talk about creation and destruction of photons all the time. e.g., see:

http://electron6.phys.utk.edu/phys250/modules/module%201/photons.htm

Roger
Posted by Preston Birdwell on May 16, 2014 at 7:56 PM
When the photon is captured, it is destroyed, as it is no longer a photon.


I get your drift, here, Roger. No problem.

The physics world has changed quite a bit since I studied quantum mechanics back when God was a young man.

--P
Posted by Chris Chamberlain on May 18, 2014 at 12:39 AM
I don't have the slightest clue what y'all are talking about. But, I are a graduate, and I know plenty!

Chris
Posted by Bill Chambers on May 20, 2014 at 4:20 PM
Sorry Preston, I still prefer capture or catch or shoot, or something else. Besides, "photograph" is too long to spell! :biggrin:
Posted by Preston Birdwell on May 23, 2014 at 10:18 AM
Like Lon says: "You say tamahto, I say tamayto...." looks like the way it will be.

Any other opinions on my proposal?

If not...It's all good. :smile:

--P