Posted by David Schoen on June 13, 2015 at 11:06 PM
I have been playing around with the panorama features in both PS CC and LR CC. I have 2 images which were intended for a panorama, both handheld. My horizon registration is not the same but there are some similar features in both images and they are both taken with a 17 mm wide angle lens. The images are the same size and were taken from the same spot. Lightroom will not put them together because there is less than a 30% overlap. However they are put together in Photoshop CC with the merge function no problem. The merged panorama is enclosed. So here is the question. Lightroom CC will fill and crop the white space. I have yet to find a way to do this with Photoshop CC as seemlessly. I can do repeated content aware fills but this is not anywhere as slick as the Lightroom CC capability. Any suggestions?
LightRoom CC has an autocrop option. That does not fill in the white space around the frame. It just crops the image to the largest possible option for the image itself, removing the white space. Not sure what you are referring to with "fill and crop the white space" in LR CC. Content aware fill is about the best option to help solve it, but with the amount of white space you'd need to fill I don't think it is worth it. I'd also try a different projection to see if that produces a result that doesn't require as much additional work.
Posted by David Schoen on June 14, 2015 at 1:41 PM
I did try all of the different projections. Why does Photoshop CC work and Lighroom CC fail to work? No autocrop in PS CC...at least as of now.
Thanks for your suggestions.
BTW, the Bosque Del Apache workshop sounds interesting
David, I left a comment this morning on this but when I edit any of my comments in the forum area, which I did this morning, they become corrupted so I deleted it.
Basically I had stated I have done several 3 shot panos over the last several months with little or no issues with post processing. I will say I used a tripod with all images captured. I do make sure the panning sweep shows a fairly level movement throughout the pano range. However, not nearly as critical leveling as you might see done by some folks on YouTube.
In PS using the auto merge I do check the three options at the bottom of: Blend Images Together - Vignette Removal - Geometric Distortion Correction. Even if I don't see any issues these being checked seems to aid with alignment, for whatever reason.
Once I've merged the three images I find little edge cleanup to repair through content aware, cloning, and or cropping. I do not see the amount you've got in this image posted above. If you look in the Landscape Gallery I have one pano posted there now if you care to take a look.
Posted by Mark Seaver on June 15, 2015 at 10:26 AM
David, I can't help you with the LR merge, since I always use PS, but from your original image it looks like there's a major change in camera-subject distance between the right and left sides and I suspect that's a big part of your problem here. In my experience, the wider the angle used in shooting a stitched pano, the harder it is to get the pano to look right (I'm limited to 24mm on a full frame camera) and that's in situations where there aren't major near/far changes across the frame. Try the geometric distortion correction both on and off to see what looks best. However, given the optics of wide angle lenses, I'm not sure that it's possible to build a pano that duplicates what our visual experience is. My other suggestions is to orient your camera vertically. This means more images stitched, but it's much easier to include extra space that can be cropped off the edges. I have yet to take a pano where some cropping on all four sides wasn't needed.
Posted by David Schoen on June 15, 2015 at 7:30 PM
Thanks for everyones suggestions.
In theory, I know what to do and all the other panos I shot came out fine, including the handheld ones. This set was the only problem.
Here is the final image so far with my editing. I still need to play with it.
David, this looks good. As you stated you're still working on it. I would say the sky needs to be a bit more even in color, but that is easy enough. I find my sky always seem to need some attention, some more then others, but again easy enough to fix.....
Posted by David Schoen on June 16, 2015 at 12:58 PM
This has been a timely discussion as Adobe has just released PS CC 2015 with a new content aware fill in photo merge. Here is the same image using the fill. OK, it needed some additional content aware fill in some areas but took me less than a minute to get this far. The sky isn't perfect but it is passable. And it is much better than the second posted image which took nearly an hour.
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8 repliesI have been playing around with the panorama features in both PS CC and LR CC. I have 2 images which were intended for a panorama, both handheld. My horizon registration is not the same but there are some similar features in both images and they are both taken with a 17 mm wide angle lens. The images are the same size and were taken from the same spot. Lightroom will not put them together because there is less than a 30% overlap. However they are put together in Photoshop CC with the merge function no problem. The merged panorama is enclosed. So here is the question. Lightroom CC will fill and crop the white space. I have yet to find a way to do this with Photoshop CC as seemlessly. I can do repeated content aware fills but this is not anywhere as slick as the Lightroom CC capability. Any suggestions?
LightRoom CC has an autocrop option. That does not fill in the white space around the frame. It just crops the image to the largest possible option for the image itself, removing the white space. Not sure what you are referring to with "fill and crop the white space" in LR CC. Content aware fill is about the best option to help solve it, but with the amount of white space you'd need to fill I don't think it is worth it. I'd also try a different projection to see if that produces a result that doesn't require as much additional work.
I did try all of the different projections. Why does Photoshop CC work and Lighroom CC fail to work? No autocrop in PS CC...at least as of now.
Thanks for your suggestions.
BTW, the Bosque Del Apache workshop sounds interesting
David
Hi David:
Yeah, no autocrop is PS CC, but you can replicate it pretty easy with the standard crop tool.
Yes, the Bosque workshop is a lot of fun. Feel free to contact me if you'd more details.
Keith
David, I left a comment this morning on this but when I edit any of my comments in the forum area, which I did this morning, they become corrupted so I deleted it.
Basically I had stated I have done several 3 shot panos over the last several months with little or no issues with post processing. I will say I used a tripod with all images captured. I do make sure the panning sweep shows a fairly level movement throughout the pano range. However, not nearly as critical leveling as you might see done by some folks on YouTube.
In PS using the auto merge I do check the three options at the bottom of: Blend Images Together - Vignette Removal - Geometric Distortion Correction. Even if I don't see any issues these being checked seems to aid with alignment, for whatever reason.
Once I've merged the three images I find little edge cleanup to repair through content aware, cloning, and or cropping. I do not see the amount you've got in this image posted above. If you look in the Landscape Gallery I have one pano posted there now if you care to take a look.
David, I can't help you with the LR merge, since I always use PS, but from your original image it looks like there's a major change in camera-subject distance between the right and left sides and I suspect that's a big part of your problem here. In my experience, the wider the angle used in shooting a stitched pano, the harder it is to get the pano to look right (I'm limited to 24mm on a full frame camera) and that's in situations where there aren't major near/far changes across the frame. Try the geometric distortion correction both on and off to see what looks best. However, given the optics of wide angle lenses, I'm not sure that it's possible to build a pano that duplicates what our visual experience is. My other suggestions is to orient your camera vertically. This means more images stitched, but it's much easier to include extra space that can be cropped off the edges. I have yet to take a pano where some cropping on all four sides wasn't needed.
Thanks for everyones suggestions.
In theory, I know what to do and all the other panos I shot came out fine, including the handheld ones. This set was the only problem.
Here is the final image so far with my editing. I still need to play with it.
David, this looks good. As you stated you're still working on it. I would say the sky needs to be a bit more even in color, but that is easy enough. I find my sky always seem to need some attention, some more then others, but again easy enough to fix.....
This has been a timely discussion as Adobe has just released PS CC 2015 with a new content aware fill in photo merge. Here is the same image using the fill. OK, it needed some additional content aware fill in some areas but took me less than a minute to get this far. The sky isn't perfect but it is passable. And it is much better than the second posted image which took nearly an hour.