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Northern Harrier
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Northern Harrier

by Ron Dudley

Gallery: AvianPosted November 9, 2009244 views24 comments
There are more harriers around now but that still doesn't mean they're easy to get good shots of, as I've been reminded of during the last week. It took me seven days of shooting before I got anything I liked well enough to post. I have other images with more interesting backgrounds but this is the best one of the bird so far.

7D, 1/2500, f/7.1, ISO 500, 500 f/4, shot this morning from pickup window, cropped to 49% of original image

Comments/critique appreciated

Comments

24 comments
Comment posted by Steve Balke on November 9, 2009 at 7:33 PM
Nice clear image of this harrier, Ron. Actually, I think that's my concern with this image: not enough noise! I guess I've become too accustomed to the texture associated with noise...... :smile:
Anyway, this is certainly a fine capture and probably fits with everyone's tastes except those of us becoming addicted to high iso images. :toast:
Registered on June 18, 2009, 229 Posts, 2915 Comments
Comment posted by Ron Bielefeld on November 9, 2009 at 7:48 PM
Ron, nice light and a great look at this bird. This sure is a clean image. I know you don't use NR, so I am very impressed with the lack of noise at ISO 500.
Registered on December 6, 2008, 360 Posts, 7132 Comments
Comment posted by Kurt Bowman on November 9, 2009 at 8:11 PM
Excelent shot Ron.....I agree about how hard it is to get a harrier shot, since I still don;t have one. How long have you had your 7D? Are you enjoying it as much as I am enjoying mine?
Registered on June 19, 2008, 1005 Posts, 8028 Comments
Comment posted by Ron Dudley on November 9, 2009 at 8:25 PM
"How long have you had your 7D? Are you enjoying it as much as I am enjoying mine?"

Kurt, I've had it over a month now - I preordered. So far I absolutely love it - for a lot of reasons but one of them shows in this post - burst rate. Harriers in flight are tough to shoot for a lot of reasons regarding light, shadows, catchlights, bright rumps etc, so the 8/fps gives me lots more opportunity to get the pose and light right. Looking at my other frames in this burst I'm pretty sure I'd have missed this with my 40D. I've had to become a lot more selective in my image culling though, because the file sizes are so big.
Registered on March 30, 2007, 437 Posts, 10915 Comments
Comment posted by Nick Saunders on November 9, 2009 at 9:43 PM
You're still managing to get flight shots of this species Ron, and that's always a good thing. Most of our Harriers have left us now.
Great eye contact and nice light on the bird
:toast:
Registered on February 6, 2008, 321 Posts, 3035 Comments
Comment posted by Brian Gatlin on November 9, 2009 at 9:46 PM
wow, Ron--sharp and clear. really nice. good comp too. I'm confused by what is sticking out beyond the tail--doesn't look like a feather--I think I'd probably clone it out.
Registered on March 21, 2009, 202 Posts, 4187 Comments
Comment posted by Ron Dudley on November 9, 2009 at 9:56 PM
" I'm confused by what is sticking out beyond the tail--doesn't look like a feather--I think I'd probably clone it out."

It's the tip of the right wing Brian. Don't think I'll clone it out.
Registered on March 30, 2007, 437 Posts, 10915 Comments
Comment posted by Brian Gatlin on November 9, 2009 at 10:30 PM
oh--I'm an idiot! (where's the icon for the embarrassed face??) sorry.... :smile:
Registered on March 21, 2009, 202 Posts, 4187 Comments
Comment posted by Charlie VanTassel on November 9, 2009 at 11:54 PM
Oh great. Ron has a new camera. We are all doomed. :wink: Seriously though, I have the feeling that this is the beginning of another great round of Harrier photos. I may have to buy a new camera too and then drive up to Utah. I really like the clean detail that you got with this one Ron. :toast: :toast:
Registered on October 18, 2006, 644 Posts, 4801 Comments
Comment posted by Cheryl Molennor on November 10, 2009 at 12:57 AM
Amazingly clean. Really no NR? Great image and I also love the light
Registered on June 30, 2009, 300 Posts, 5051 Comments
Comment posted by Nate Chappell on November 10, 2009 at 3:39 AM
Great head turn and beautiful lighting here Ron :toast:
Registered on February 1, 2006, 1158 Posts, 19528 Comments
Comment posted by Rob Drummond on November 10, 2009 at 4:16 AM
Your story makes me feel better Ron. Spent an evening last week out in a swamp trying to get Whiskered Terns in flight - NOT. Ended up taking a few harriers instead but they were embarrassingly bad. Not like this with lovely light and nice and sharp.

cheers
Rob
Registered on November 8, 2003, 617 Posts, 8267 Comments
Comment posted by Ákos Lumnitzer on November 10, 2009 at 4:35 AM
Well done with this image! Lovely light and great eye contact.

I agree with Rob D's experience. Our Aussie Swampies are some of the most timid raptors down under with an immense fear and avoidance of anything resembling a human.

:toast:
Registered on April 24, 2004, 25 Posts, 510 Comments
Comment posted by Rob Graham on November 10, 2009 at 7:30 AM
Great shot, Ron. The eye contact and highlight, as well as overall pleasing light make this a winner.
Registered on August 22, 2006, 842 Posts, 2824 Comments
Comment posted by Ron Dudley on November 10, 2009 at 8:20 AM
"Really no NR?"

Cheryl, no, I have never used any NR. I don't even know how to use it. I'm not saying that I won't use it sometime in the future but if I do I will certainly include it in my techs.
Registered on March 30, 2007, 437 Posts, 10915 Comments
Comment posted by Dennis Plank on November 10, 2009 at 10:20 AM
Beautiful light, Ron and excellent detail. I think I'm seeing some kind of smudge at the junction of the top of the beak and the head but it might be part of the bird-just looks odd to my eye. :toast:
Registered on January 28, 2008, 1767 Posts, 23192 Comments
Comment posted by Richard Ditch on November 10, 2009 at 10:36 AM
I like this and know how hard of a subject harriers can be. It takes patience as well as subjects to get something like this, and discipline to post only when the results meet your own high standards.
Registered on November 1, 2003, 1031 Posts, 12705 Comments
Comment posted by Ron Dudley on November 10, 2009 at 10:40 AM
"I think I'm seeing some kind of smudge at the junction of the top of the beak and the head but it might be part of the bird-just looks odd to my eye"

Dennis - The "smudge" you're seeing is the rictal bristles, typical of this species.
Registered on March 30, 2007, 437 Posts, 10915 Comments
Comment posted by Steve Balke on November 11, 2009 at 7:06 AM
Ron, can you tell us more about your workflow. Are you shooting raw file format or jpeg? Are you using any post processing? If you are shooting jpeg, are you using some in-camera settings that would affect noise? I think this type of info will help us all to figure out the best ways of using this camera. As you know, there are no shortage of options!
Registered on June 18, 2009, 229 Posts, 2915 Comments
Comment posted by Ron Dudley on November 11, 2009 at 8:17 AM
Steve, I shoot RAW exclusively. This image was processed in CS4 as per my typical work flow - very minor adjustments to contrast and saturation done selectively on the bird, I can't remember if I adjusted exposure in RAW or not but looking back at the original file I doubt it. Sharpening (USM) on the bird only. The background is untouched. The only thing atypical about my processing in this image was RAW conversion - had to use the Canon software for that because of no ACR support for the 7D yet. Wish they'd get on the stick.....
Registered on March 30, 2007, 437 Posts, 10915 Comments
Comment posted by Steve Balke on November 11, 2009 at 8:46 AM
Thank you, Ron. Is your sharpening software Photoshop? Also, in using the Canon software I found I had to ensure that the image was not being noise reduced and sharpened by that software during conversion to the tiff. I detailed my struggle in the Discussion Forum earlier.
Here's the link to the forum topic:
http://www.naturephotographers.net/imagecritique/bbs.cgi?a=vm&mr=48325&CGISESSID=efc88a5455ac654548b70c12f0d7b05d&u=18139
Registered on June 18, 2009, 229 Posts, 2915 Comments
Comment posted by Ron Dudley on November 11, 2009 at 9:13 AM
Steve, I used USM for sharpening.

In DPP both my TIFF/jpeg luminance and chrominance noise reduction are set to 0 (I convert to jpeg). Default noise reduction setting is set to "apply camera settings". In camera, my "high ISO noise reduction" is set at "standard". So, assuming that Canon defines ISO 500 as "high ISO" then perhaps there has been some NR to this image through DPP.
Registered on March 30, 2007, 437 Posts, 10915 Comments
Comment posted by Steve Balke on November 11, 2009 at 9:44 AM
Thank you again, Ron. Of course the main thing is that you are happy with the resulting image. Where all this comes in is in the future if you find yourself wanting less noise reduction. I found the menu that you are referring to in the Canon software. I had ticked the lower box indicating setting the defaults to zero. However, it's possible you overruled these defaults with your other settings! Nice and tricky isn't it! You might want to try playing with those settings to see if you can generate more noise. I'd like some company..... :wink: ....or maybe I'll join you and lower that iso!
Registered on June 18, 2009, 229 Posts, 2915 Comments
Comment posted by Sally King on November 11, 2009 at 4:51 PM
The light and the face are amazing.
Registered on December 2, 2008, 416 Posts, 4450 Comments