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Bald Eagles

by Ron Dudley

Gallery: AvianPosted July 5, 2010283 views17 comments
A busy background but I liked the poses and the separation of the birds in such close proximity.

I've had mixed feelings about this image (and a few others like it) for a long time because it's possible these birds were baited. At the refuge where I often shoot, eagles come in large numbers every late winter to feed on dead carp - both winter killed and those killed by refuge managers to minimize the damage they do. When there's a sudden thaw (typically in Feb) the fish become available to the eagles and there's a real feeding frenzy. On the day after this image was taken (2/20/09), after most photographers had left, I observed two photographers wade into the shallow water and move dead carp to more photogenic settings with better light - one form of baiting. How often this occurred or for how long I just don't know but I stopped shooting at this pond after that. Anyway, in the interest of full disclosure - these birds may have been baited.

40D, 1/2500, f/8, ISO 500, 500 f/4 (no tc), shot from pickup window on 2/19/09, cropped to 56% of original image, slight reduction to highlights in ACR, levels adjustment in CS4, cloned out an OOF white blob poking slightly into the bottom of the frame (probably the top of a gull's head), sharpened, natural light, possibly baited

Larger version provided

Comments/critique appreciated

Comments

17 comments
Comment posted by Peter Conway on July 5, 2010 at 7:44 PM
Hi Ron, It is a nice image, I especially like the poses caught in the two that are still airborne.

As to the ethical issue, I guess I am not really put off by the idea of moving the existing carp around. I am not sure where the line really is for me, but if the food is there anyway, is that really baiting? I think for me a big part of it is how intrusive the photography becomes. Where I am there are no other photographers so perhaps it doesn't strike me as negatively as it might if I were seeing the results of what others have done...

Anyway, cool capture. :toast:

Peter
Registered on June 25, 2007, 347 Posts, 3913 Comments
Comment posted by Ronnie Gaubert on July 5, 2010 at 8:38 PM
Hi Ron,
Good action with the two in flight. Details look good as well as the comp. I would have preferred more separation from the background.
About Baiting which is a contraversal issue:
Many people basically have backyard studios for the sole purpose of photographing birds. Others are in the business of workshops which bring paying guess to baited setups with a perfect perch and blinds. What people do is their own business and I could care less. What bothers me is the driving force behind these actions. Let's face it, the hundreds of internet forums like NPN and competition plays a role in these behaviors. We all want to post the best pictures for popularity. I know I will get some resposes defending baiting but this is just my opinion.
Thanks for posting,
Ronnie G.
Registered on November 1, 2003, 810 Posts, 3495 Comments
Comment posted by Ron Dudley on July 5, 2010 at 8:54 PM
Peter and Ronnie,

It certainly wasn't my intention to get the baiting controversy going again here. I guess I explained more than I should have about the circumstances of this shot - probably because my position on the issue is implied in the comments of the images of raptors I post, combined with the fact that I realized that some would take this situation as possible baiting (as I do) if they knew the circumstances. I just wanted to be up front about it.

Anyway, nuff said. Sorry about making such an issue of it but it bothered me.
Registered on March 30, 2007, 437 Posts, 10915 Comments
Comment posted by Nate Chappell on July 5, 2010 at 8:59 PM
Sweet to get 3 in different poses like this Ron, well done :toast:
Registered on February 1, 2006, 1158 Posts, 19528 Comments
Comment posted by Richard Ditch on July 5, 2010 at 9:09 PM
This is a risk wherever there are other photographers. I've found out about such baiting - or worse: habitat modification - after the fact with: Ana's Hummingbird nest (branches trimmed for a clear view); Sora (marsh grass trimmed short with scissors for a "better" view!); assorted sparrows (area regularly seeded before I got there). Like you, it makes me feel guilty even when I had nothing to do with baiting or modifications.

Good work keeping all three eagles separate.
Registered on November 1, 2003, 1031 Posts, 12705 Comments
Comment posted by Nick Saunders on July 5, 2010 at 9:19 PM
Super interaction and a great opportunity to see so many feeding together. Birds are nice and sharp :toast:
Registered on February 6, 2008, 321 Posts, 3035 Comments
Comment posted by Lindy Martin on July 5, 2010 at 10:06 PM
Hi Ron, I love the "action" shot and marvel at the sharpness you have achieved - great natural habitat image. While still learning this hobby, my question is do you choose aperture of f8 as well as ss? My groups and individuals are not half as sharp and I am wondering if the 1/2500 SS is critical. I always end up using exposure compensation for baldies due to the contrast but it appears you didn't. Any insight and advice you can give me that will help with the detail would be great. Again, I appreciate the commentary and admire the shot. :toast:
Registered on March 10, 2009, 60 Posts, 169 Comments
Comment posted by Dennis Plank on July 5, 2010 at 10:17 PM
Nice action, Ron. It's cool that you managed to get eyes in all three birds. I think it would have been a bit more powerful if the standing bird were looking in the same direction as the others. It's posture now shows a disinterest that to me, detracts a bit. Your usual excellent technical job. :toast:
Registered on January 28, 2008, 1767 Posts, 23192 Comments
Comment posted by Gary Gulash on July 6, 2010 at 1:13 AM
Hi Ron, I like the ring-like arrangement of birds in your composition. The white heads really stand out, good exposure by the way! Beautiful feather detail. Sounds like a fairly low-level of baiting, if there was only the rearrangement of a few fish, but thank you for the heads up.
Registered on January 28, 2005, 879 Posts, 12098 Comments
Comment posted by Jim DeWitt on July 6, 2010 at 1:21 AM
I agree the last thing we need is another baiting debate. But I respect your candor. It's a great photo, and getting two in the air is a real treat. Fine work, Ron.
Registered on August 28, 2006, 1240 Posts, 8506 Comments
Comment posted by Brian Gatlin on July 6, 2010 at 9:36 AM
great looking poses, and nice sharpness. I guess I've missed the previous baiting debates, but I would say I'm unbothered by the moving of natural prey. I think that there is an endless continuum of baiting that it's hard for me to say where to draw the line (other than baiting that has a negative impact on the bird).

A fairly high percentage of the birds I shoot are near man-made water features (some 5 yrs old, some 100 yrs old) within the surrounding arid landscape. Although the birds are naturally occurring in the surrounding habitat, the water surely attracts them. So these birds are no less "baited" than if I'd put out seed for them. Anyway, I appreciate your full disclosure and careful thought on the subject.
Registered on March 21, 2009, 202 Posts, 4187 Comments
Comment posted by Howard Cheek on July 6, 2010 at 11:08 AM
Wow, love this Ron..
Excellent stop action and fine details. Exposure looks great, natural colors too..
Who cares about the BG, the action is wonderful :toast: :toast:
Registered on July 24, 2008, 1201 Posts, 10758 Comments
Comment posted by Kurt Bowman on July 6, 2010 at 3:09 PM
Ron, I appreciate your honesty. I like the shot...I would wish for a more seperated BG also, but not much you can do when the BG is so close to the birds. I like the eye contact of all three and ahve always been a fan of behavioral shots.
Registered on June 19, 2008, 1005 Posts, 8028 Comments
Comment posted by Graham Brown on July 6, 2010 at 4:40 PM
Congrats on your editor's pick Ron, I somehow missed that image. It must be great to see so many eagles together , we have a job seeing just one. The birds are nicely separated and well detailed. I think with so much going on this image will look better the larger it is.Graham
Registered on November 20, 2007, 275 Posts, 1365 Comments
Comment posted by Jim Hackley on July 7, 2010 at 1:52 PM
Wow, excellent shot Ron, I like everything about it, to get 3 eagles with stop action detail is a real plus, the larger image was a pleasure to view. Well done :toast:
Registered on September 17, 2009, 302 Posts, 5535 Comments
Comment posted by Benjamin DeHaven on July 7, 2010 at 11:09 PM
My two cents... if the carp were there them moving them fifteen feet to the right is not a big deal. Sometimes, when trying to catch a sunset I might bend a reed down to get it out of the sight of my 10mm lens. I see very little difference. Regardless, you have a great picture with a slightly busy background. I would be proud to call it my own...
Registered on May 31, 2010, 26 Posts, 53 Comments
Comment posted by Rob Drummond on July 8, 2010 at 10:37 PM
Great setting Ron and, as you say, separation of the birds

cheers
Rob
Registered on November 8, 2003, 617 Posts, 8267 Comments