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If He Posts 1 More Tree

by Lon Overacker

Gallery: LandscapePosted March 22, 2016274 views14 comments
.... I'm sure you all must be tired of these Yosemite tree images by now.  I wish I could say I didn't have any more... but I will try and mix it up a little bit more.  I hesitated to post this because of the repetition, but also because I'm not entirely happy with it and I wanted your input.  I actually didn't even look at the RAW file until just a couple days ago. Bracketed images of this have gone unimpressed on my hard drive.

I like the concept and was what I was seeking out on this trip back at the beginning of February. Seeking out scenes where El Cap wasn't the main subject, but provided a background, front light, back lighting and a backdrop for silhouettes, etc.  But this is a most difficult lighting situation and I'm afraid my processing skills are just not ready to handle scenes.  I didn't even attempt an HDR blend, especially after attempting to "auto-align" two different exposures.  To much motion in the branches and so I didn't think even an HDR would work. But then again, I'm not versed enough.  Anyway, short story long, this is processed from a single exposure.  I'm afraid my efforts left the granite wall of El Cap kinda flat while trying to get enough detail and brightness out of the snow covered trees.

Your thoughts most appreciated.  Does the overall comp work? Too much?  Is this one worth pursuing more advanced techniques?
What say you?

Nikon D800E
Nikon 28-300mm @48mm
f/20 single image.

Thanks!

ps. oh yeah, a rare occasion that I included sky. Does it work or detract?

Comments

14 comments
Comment posted by Igor Doncov on March 22, 2016 at 8:53 PM
There are certain aspects of this image that are better than you recent tree against El Cap motif. I like the fact that the trees are coming out of other trees and not the frame. For me that's a positive. I also like that you've included trees to the left of the oaks that help with the vertical nature of the comp. The comp is more intricate and complex with vegetation throughout the image rather than having one end all branches and the other all cliff.

On the negative side the shadows aren't as beautifully luminescent as before and the snow on the branches has the same color and tonal value as the some of the areas of the cliff and so there is not enough separation.

BTW the smaller image has more presence because of the large white frame which is missing in the large version.
Registered on November 22, 2014, 189 Posts, 2733 Comments
Comment posted by Brad Strong on March 23, 2016 at 4:46 AM
I like this really well as is. Since you think it's a bit flat, and raw images always start that way, I'd try decreasing contrast and increasing clarity. That should bring out the shadow details pretty well. You may want to use the brush tool to bring in some more clarity to certain areas. If you need some more definition in El Capitan, try increasing and/or decreasing the orange and yellow brightness to get some color contrast. 

Blending images often fails fails due to things moving in the frame. I have hundreds of bracketed raw images that I planned on blending. Most of the time I only need one raw image from my 6D. Your D800e should be even better. Expose high contrast scenes as brightly as you can without loosing highlight details and process the raw image from there. 

The sky looks good to me. I think it adds to the image. 
Registered on October 1, 2012, 43 Posts, 302 Comments
Comment posted by Roel Wijtmans on March 23, 2016 at 11:27 AM
Yeah, my first reaction was, "hey look, a sky in Lon's photo!". And I must say that in this case, I think the photo would indeed have been even better with just El Cap as a background. But that is not always feasible of course, and this still works very well for me. The way you framed the trees is spot on for me, there is a nice "flow" in the comp.

On the processing side, when movement prevents blending several bracketed images, you can always try processing your RAW twice and blend those two. The results are superior to what you can achieve when retrieving shadows directly in the RAW processor itself I think. So in this case, use this one photo, and make a similarly processed RAW with the exposure cranked up say 1 stop or so (depends on the situation of course). Most of the time, I don't just crank up the exposure, but use a mix of exposure, blacks, and brightness to lighten up the lighter version.
Then you blend those two manually in Photoshop. Using the "blend if" function sometimes works great, sometimes the masking function works better, and sometimes a combination of those is the way to go. The HDR--technique is not my cup of tea, manual blending is a lot more versatile and more fun too.
With your D800 you should most of the time get enough DR in your RAW's to do this process without too much problem.

Edit - Brad's comment about exposing "to the right" is a good one, especially when using the blending from one RAW file technique. Years ago I did some testing how much this exposing to the right would improve noise, and the results were very clear. Modern cameras are better of course, but still it is a good procedure to do.
Registered on September 30, 2012, 116 Posts, 2257 Comments
Comment posted by David Schoen on March 23, 2016 at 1:38 PM
The snow is rather subtle here. However, I think it works well with the image because you are emphasizing the shapes against the background. The contrast between the shapes in the warm tones of the background, both the sky and the rock are portrayed nicely. I'm not tired of these images. Your experiments with bright backgrounds and trees have really paid off well. It opened my eyes to further possibilities; I think about this more myself now when going out and shooting.
Registered on November 6, 2006, 1213 Posts, 4587 Comments
Comment posted by Preston Birdwell on March 23, 2016 at 5:00 PM
I like the idea in this one, but it is not really working for me. While it has structure and left to right balance, I think it is too busy. Also, it feels tight at the top. Also, the tones in the wall appear to be somewhat flat, and could be brighter. The inclusion of the sky works, and the blue against the warm-toned wall is a nice contrast.

For those viewing this, the large version comes across much better.

Lon, I think you did a pretty job here handling the dynamic range. I wonder how Roel's idea to try process your RAW twice and blend the two would work.

--P
Registered on November 1, 2003, 471 Posts, 5188 Comments
Comment posted by Harley Goldman on March 23, 2016 at 5:44 PM
The sky works fine for me, but the pines coming in from the sides are detracting from the comp a bit for me.  The lack of shadow detail doesn't bother me, but  I like Roel's dual processing idea. I will have to give that one a go soon.
Registered on November 19, 2003, 586 Posts, 11271 Comments
Comment posted by Wayne Jones on March 23, 2016 at 11:35 PM
What could anyone have against trees?  That's what landscapes are, right? 

I just spent some time trying to catch up, and had a great time looking at your recent images!  They are all beautiful, and I think this composition is just as nice as the others.

I like this as-is, but I do see how you would want more contrast in the rock background.  There are a couple of plug-ins that make complex contrast adjustments easy.  My favorite is Topaz Clarity; it works separately on different levels of contrast (kind of like making tiny bumps in the tone curve vs bigger waves).  It includes an HSL filter so you can refine the contrast adjustments even more, all at once with the same filter.  You can use the different levels of contrast adjustments and the HSL filter at the same time to get you where you want to go. For instance, in this image where you may want a different effect on the background than on the snowy trees, you might want to adjust the cyan and blue saturation and brightness to get the snow where you want it in relation to El Cap.  If you are not familiar with the plug-in, let me know if you want me to show you a quick demo using this image.
Registered on April 18, 2007, 953 Posts, 6435 Comments
Comment posted by Dan Kearl on March 24, 2016 at 12:31 AM
I wish you had tiled the lens up a tad more. I like the sweep of the trees and the color juxtaposition looks way better in the large view.
Registered on September 2, 2013, 209 Posts, 1514 Comments
Comment posted by Lon Overacker on March 24, 2016 at 1:48 PM
Thanks for the comments and suggestions folks!  

Roel - I've heard of, but have never explored double raw processing. So I spent the better part of yesterday on Google and Youtube learning what I could.  Literally hours of attempts and I finally came to the realization:
On the negative side the shadows aren't as beautifully luminescent as before and the snow on the branches has the same color and tonal value as the some of the areas of the cliff and so there is not enough separation.

Igor, you've nailed the main issue with this image and whether or not double processing and/or blending can work.  I'm guessing it can, but I don't have the skillset (yet) to pull it off.  The issue that I finally came to realize is that using something like the Blend-If sliders, requires a separation of light and dark tones.  Well, even with the two processed versions of the same file, there remains light and dark tones in BOTH images, so once you reach some mid-tone values, you're affecting both layers, and for the life of me couldn't get a result that comes close to what I did using basic masking and luminosity masks.

So I've got a knowledge gap here.  I know there is good data in the RAW file, so hopefully I can learn and advanced way to blend this image.  BTW, most of the tutorials and examples I could find were pretty simple where using the Blend-if slides were dealing with like replacing a sky, burning/dodging techniques on certain areas.  I couldn't find anything on more complicated blends like my image here.

 If you are not familiar with the plug-in, let me know if you want me to show you a quick demo using this image.

Wayne, Thank you very much for the offer!  I may take you up on it!  I'll send you a separate email.  And anyone else who wants to give this one a shot, let me know!

Perhaps THE most valuable thing I get out of NPN and the community here is learning and improving ones photography (processing, etc.)  Of course the kudos are great for the ego, but in the end it's all about getting better, growing and learning. So thank you!
Registered on November 24, 2006, 521 Posts, 19147 Comments
Comment posted by Pete Bengeyfield on March 25, 2016 at 1:06 PM
Yeah, but they're all so good, as is this one.
Registered on December 2, 2003, 1247 Posts, 3439 Comments
Comment posted by Dave Dillemuth on March 26, 2016 at 10:51 PM
Lon,
This is very nice. The combination of the warm light on El Cap and the cool, snow-covered trees in shadow is just beautiful. No objections to including the strip of sky - I think it helps frame the scene.
Versus your other images in this series, I don't think this comp. is quite as strong. I think I would have preferred it without the inclusion of the large evergreen on the left. My processing skills are basic so I'm not exactly sure how to raise the contrast in El Cap while opening up the trees. I would likely use a combination of shadow/highlights and luminosity masks. Personally, I think this image would work just as well with the trees going into shadow.
Registered on December 10, 2015, 104 Posts, 1112 Comments
Comment posted by Vance Gese on March 27, 2016 at 5:36 PM
Lon, I sincerely hope you never feel hesitant in posting another tree image.  All are masterful images that I never tire of viewing.

While I do prefer your earlier more simple composition posted on March 12, to me this image resonates in many different ways.  The graceful curves of the oak tree trunks springing forth from the forest contrast so nicely with the stately tall conifers on the left and below, and all set against that wonderful warm glowing rockface.  The play of the cool tones against the warmer tones also makes for a compelling image. The inclusion of the sky adds to this blue/gold aspect. The dark shadows of the trees provide a bold graphic element as well which I always enjoy, further enhancing the contrasting designs and lines mentioned earlier.
While I could see trying some of the techniques suggested to bring out more shadow detail, to me, the image as presented works.  Maybe because I still cling to my film and know I could never get any shadow detail from a Velvia or Provia transparency of this scene.

Stunning work as always, Lon.
Registered on November 13, 2008, 298 Posts, 6629 Comments
Comment posted by Eva McDermott on March 27, 2016 at 11:08 PM
Gorgeous image Lon.  The backlight from the granite face really makes this image.  Great combination of shadowy trees and golden light.  BTW - I will never tire of you tree images.  Each one is unique and awe inspiring. 
Registered on January 4, 2009, 1015 Posts, 13229 Comments
Comment posted by Kah Kit Yoong on April 3, 2016 at 12:16 AM
I think this one works OK but personally that quite vibrant sky is quite jarring as a background. Might consider reducing the saturation. It could be that the contrast between the shadowed trees and the bright El Cap is also too much. Perhaps brightening these aspects with a more neutral colour balance could mellow the overall presentation.
Registered on September 27, 2006, 636 Posts, 10682 Comments