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Scratching That Itch
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Scratching That Itch

by Ashley Vincent

Gallery: AvianPosted November 22, 2011193 views12 comments
Canon EOS 7D, EF 500mm f/4L IS USM + 1.4x Extender @ 700mm, Aperture Priority @ f/8 (1/1600 sec), -2/3 EV, ISO 400, Tripod, JPEG from RAW, About 60% of Full Frame

Apologies for my sudden disappearance, but between family and visiting friends I haven't been able to make the time for posting up anything new these past couple of weeks. Anyhow, back here with you now!

The subject you see here is one I've posted before, a male Marico Sunbird, but in a somewhat more interesting pose!

While others may (as they have in the past!) argue against this, I feel I get better results by under-exposing a shot like this than I do by vamping up the ISO on my 7D. The aim with either of these methods is to increase the shutter speed, but in my experience the noise introduced by under-exposing then lightening the image up in post-processing works better and offers the additional benefit of preventing blown highlights in the subject and the perch.

The only thing I'm a little less than happy with is that lightening up the image as a whole appears to have created something of a subtle (or perhaps not so subtle!) halo around the Sunbird. Unless I'm imagining this, if you can see it too and can offer any suggestions as to how I can fix this without darkening the image again I'd be very grateful.

Critique, suggestions and comments are always welcome.

Comments

12 comments
Comment posted by Angela McCain on November 22, 2011 at 10:25 PM
Love the pose of the bird, Ashley and you have really brought out the lovely iridescence.

I'm afraid I'm going to go with the "others". Shooting toward the sky is unlikely to be successful with a -2/3 ev, but exact needs would depend in part if you are using spot or matrix metering. I don't know the capabilities of the 7D, but would expect it to handle much higher than the ISO 400 that you used here. If you are processing in ACR (or almost anything), masking the bird versus the background will help with the halo (although I have a halo problem and should not give much advice here until I solve my own issues :), and allow you to manipulate the subject versus the background. However, there is just no substitute for getting the exposure right in camera.

That said. It's still an interesting and pleasing image.
Registered on April 19, 2009, 367 Posts, 3589 Comments
Comment posted by Ken Archer on November 22, 2011 at 10:44 PM
A beautiful bird, caught in a cool moment Ashley :cool: I do see the halo, but it isn't real distracting to me. I have under-exposed purposely during situations where I wanted more shutter speed with fairly good results lightening the image in post processing. I usually don't go more than 2/3 of a stop under though.

Ken Archer
Registered on October 28, 2004, 222 Posts, 6683 Comments
Comment posted by Harry Harris on November 22, 2011 at 10:49 PM
Ashley, Good to see you back and with another pleasing image. I use a 7D and I also try and keep my ISO at 400 or below. I will have to try your approach and see how it works. I find that I seem to blow out more whites than I should so this may help, Thanks

Skip Harris
Registered on August 2, 2010, 169 Posts, 741 Comments
Comment posted by Richard Ditch on November 22, 2011 at 11:52 PM
A few observations:

1. the histogram for the image shows values are clustered in a narrow central spike with long tails to shadow and highlight sides. This compresses the contrast in much of the image making the colors look flat overall.

2. the 1200px version is highly pixelated from being overly compressed - it is only 143.6 KB in size.

3. there's an obvious halo around the bird, most easily seen with a threshold layer by dragging the pointer "through" the narrow central spike of data.

4. 1/1600 sec @ f/8 and ISO 400 is the equivalent of the "Sunny 16" exposure, so if this was shot in normal mid day light I don't see how it was under exposed. What was the light like, and how did you meter the exposure? What did the histogram look like for this image on the camera LCD?

5. halos are most often the result of excessive use of clarity or vibrance in ACR, or of excessive use of shadow/highlight in photoshop trying to fix bad exposure.

6. get the exposure correct at the time of capture and you'll not need to spend time trying to recover in raw conversion, you'll avoid halos, and you'll minimize noise for whatever ISO you chose to use.
Registered on November 1, 2003, 1031 Posts, 12705 Comments
Comment posted by Keith Bauer on November 23, 2011 at 9:08 AM
Hi Ashley: First, I think this is an interesting image because of the pose. Very colorful bird! I'm going to provide a different take on the processing and histogram. The histogram has a spike in the middle because the blue sky dominates the color tones in the image. There are very few pixels in the brightest regions of the histogram because there are none to be found in the image in the first place.

My preference is to add compensation any time you have a dark bird against a light background. Even with an image like this, it is relatively easy to bring the sky (background) tones back down if you don't like their brightness level. If adding exposure compensation requires increasing ISO to maintain shutter speed, then NR is the solution to the background noise.

Yes, the halo is pretty evident in this version. I don't think the halo is from vibrance or clarity in ACR. I think it is from bringing up the tones in the bird and it spilled over into the background.

Your take on underexposing is interesting. I still think the right answer is to get the exposure right on the subject and let the chips fall where they may for the rest of the content in the image.
Registered on November 20, 2003, 458 Posts, 4836 Comments
Comment posted by Hans Overduin on November 23, 2011 at 10:29 AM
Hey Ashley - no problem you have been away from the board for a while ;-)
Great capture, and the pose is a total hammer for me - like this a lot !!
About the exposure thing I am not sure - as you have come to learn I usually underexpose, besides from birds flying in the sky. In this particular case I am not sure.. Shame: you have to go back and try again :wink:
Grtz, Hans
Registered on August 31, 2011, 491 Posts, 3807 Comments
Comment posted by Fabio Giarrizzo on November 23, 2011 at 12:45 PM
Great pose and beautiful colours- A truly wonderful species, very well depicted- Excellent job on this one, Fabio
Registered on December 3, 2010, 90 Posts, 1614 Comments
Comment posted by John Tobias on November 23, 2011 at 2:18 PM
Fine looking photo, even with the slight halo. I like the colors of the sunbird and IMHO the BG sets it off very well. As far as your exposure and processing goes, if it works for you fine! Thanks for sharing, glad you are posting again.
Registered on September 12, 2009, 2120 Posts, 6455 Comments
Comment posted by KC Choo on November 23, 2011 at 7:38 PM
Nice pose of a beautiful bird. I would be happy with this and might have thought about using -0.33EV to keep the red channel from blowing. Richard's #5 tip seems the likely explanation.
Registered on November 15, 2004, 519 Posts, 8278 Comments
Comment posted by Ron Dudley on November 25, 2011 at 9:18 PM
Ashley, it's a wonderful pose but the halo does catch my eye. I agree that getting the exposure on the subject right "in camera" is the best starting point. With my 7D I routinely shoot at ISO 500 with negligible noise problems and often go up to 800 if I have to and the crop isn't significant. Above that is a waste of time and effort for me.
Registered on March 30, 2007, 437 Posts, 10915 Comments
Comment posted by Ken Watkins on November 26, 2011 at 2:27 AM
Ashley,

Technical issues aside, this is a beautiful bird in a terrific pose. I must confess to always bumping up the exposure when shooting with a bright sky background, but then I have never used a 7D. How did you lighten up the bird, drop me an email.

Cheers

Ken
Registered on December 15, 2010, 1537 Posts, 4877 Comments
Comment posted by Ray Whitt on November 27, 2011 at 7:39 PM
Love the pose Ashley, the colors are excellent.

Ray
Registered on May 27, 2011, 92 Posts, 2619 Comments